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Pooch Vs Jewel Debate Proposal

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Post by Jewel on Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:46 pm

I accused pooch of being biased in his verdict with regards to the evidences which I presented. He merely considered my evidences as mere superficial due to the construction of the topic "Resolve: Jesus is God" instead of "Is Jesus God". He argued that had the topic been "Is Jesus God" I would have won. I argued that it is not how the topic is constructed because the meaning is the same, but what would be the bases of the discussion, which he seems to reject it.

Now, to prove his idea to be false I am challenging him by riding with his argument.

"Is Jesus God?" or " Resolve: Jesus is God"

Basis: Qur'an


Judge: ateo


If he refuse to accept this proposal, it would mean that his idea is false and that he was not impartial in his judgment.


Thanks.


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Post by bench on Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:49 pm

i'll wait this debate.

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Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:06 pm

Jewel wrote:I accused pooch of being biased in his verdict with regards to the evidences which I presented. He merely considered my evidences as mere superficial due to the construction of the topic "Resolve: Jesus is God" instead of "Is Jesus God". He argued that had the topic been "Is Jesus God" I would have won. I argued that it is not how the topic is constructed because the meaning is the same, but what would be the bases of the discussion, which he seems to reject it.

Now, to prove his idea to be false I am challenging him by riding with his argument.

"Is Jesus God?"

Basis: Qur'an


Judge: ateo


If he refuse to accept this proposal, it would mean that his idea is false and that he was not impartial in his judgment.


Thanks.

Hindi ka naman galit nyan Jewel?

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Post by BibleBot on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:23 pm

mukhang galit umuusok ang ilong

kaya ako ayaw ko ng me judge kasi pag natalo na naman si jewel ang judge ang aawayin mas lalong lalaki ang gulo
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Post by BibleBot on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:48 pm

kung hindi sana naging palalo si jewel ke junny hindi nya sasapitin ang ganyang kasakit na sitwasyon

masakit talaga pag akala mo panalo ka pero sa bandang huli eh natalo ka pala
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Post by harballah on Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:43 pm

BibleBot wrote:mukhang galit umuusok ang ilong

kaya ako ayaw ko ng me judge kasi pag natalo na naman si jewel ang judge ang aawayin mas lalong lalaki ang gulo

Talagang umaalingasaw iyong amoy biblebot, ganyan na ganyan magsalita si Junny.......tingnan mo ang nasa pula, patunay iyan na dumanas kana sa debate

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Post by Dhugz on Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:13 pm

Ako din antayin ko ito.
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Post by Jewel on Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:19 pm

BibleBot wrote:mukhang galit umuusok ang ilong

kaya ako ayaw ko ng me judge kasi pag natalo na naman si jewel ang judge ang aawayin mas lalong lalaki ang gulo


hindi po mod fred, diskompyado lang ako sa verdict kaya gusto kung husgahan ng iba ang matters sa pagitan namin ni pooch

nasa itaas ang reasons ko kung bakit, siguro naman legit yun.

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Re: Pooch Vs Jewel Debate Proposal

Post by Jewel on Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:20 pm

fredms3 wrote:[

Hindi ka naman galit nyan Jewel?

hindi po mod fred, diskompyado lang ako sa verdict kaya gusto kung husgahan ng iba ang matters sa pagitan namin ni pooch

nasa itaas ang reasons ko kung bakit, siguro naman legit yun.

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Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:16 pm

Jewel wrote:

hindi po mod fred, diskompyado lang ako sa verdict kaya gusto kung husgahan ng iba ang matters sa pagitan namin ni pooch

nasa itaas ang reasons ko kung bakit, siguro naman legit yun.

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No comment na lang muna ako bro Jewel.

Let's wait for Pooch to comment on your challenge and the issue surrounding the same.

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Post by Jewel on Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:17 pm

fredms3 wrote:

No comment na lang muna ako bro Jewel.

Let's wait for Pooch to comment on your challenge and the issue surrounding the same.


Okay we'll wait for pooch.

I will prove to him that he is wrong that it is how the topic is phrased. It is what the basis would be.

He told me that had the topic was "Is Jesus God" instead of "resolve: Jesus is God" I would have won - I say will full confidence that it is not how the topic is phrased but what would be the bases for the topic.

I hope that he'll show up asap.


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Post by BibleBot on Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:48 pm

"Is Jesus God?" or " Resolve: Jesus is God"

tingin ko pareho lang paksa yan jewel. walang pinagbago

patutunayan pa rin na dyos si kristo
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Post by Jewel on Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:03 pm

BibleBot wrote:"Is Jesus God?" or " Resolve: Jesus is God"

tingin ko pareho lang paksa yan jewel. walang pinagbago

patutunayan pa rin na dyos si kristo

Tama ka, yun nga ang sabi ko sa kanya eh pero sabi nya hindi daw, kaya mali sya unless kaya nyang patunayan na tama sya dito sa debate
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Post by Jewel on Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:13 pm

Where is who?

Sana tanggapin ang proposal or else admission....
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Post by BibleBot on Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:45 pm

Jewel wrote:

Tama ka, yun nga ang sabi ko sa kanya eh pero sabi nya hindi daw, kaya mali sya unless kaya nyang patunayan na tama sya dito sa debate

nagkaroon lang ng risk sa part mo

nahulog ka sa patibong ni junny dahil sa pamagat ng paksa

kung ang paksa sana Jesus is God According to Bible and Quran dapat sa 2 ebidensya lang iikot ang paksa ninyo kaso napakaboard ng topic eh

lahat maaring gamitin basta matindigan lamang ang kanyang side

in that way nagkulang ka sa tamang argument
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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:18 pm

hindi yun ang dahilan ayon kay pooch

kaya mali sya dahil bias ang tingin nya sa ebedense

dito mapatutunayan na mali sya - tunghayan mo 99% di yun lalaban kasi alam nyang matatalo sya -

gaya ng sabi mo walang pinagkaiba dun sa dalawang topics; sa ebedense nagkaproblema dahil bias ang tingin ng judge
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Post by Pooch on Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:56 pm

Jewel wrote:
"...I am challenging him by riding with his argument.

"Is Jesus God?" or " Resolve: Jesus is God"

Basis: Qur'an


Judge: ateo


Although I do not agree with whatever you said that "..it would mean", I am focused debatewise. Hence, I would ask to clarify. Liliwanagin ko lang po:

1. Hinahamon po ninyo ako ng debate. Tama po ba?
2. Since kayo ang naghamon, kayo ang magbibigay ng paksa.
3. At ang paksa ng debate na inooffer ninyo ay ito:

"Is Jesus God according to the Koran"?

4. Sino po ang gusto ninyong nasa apirmatibo, sino ang gusto ninyong nasa negatibo?

Klaruhin ko po muna..


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Post by Pooch on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:01 pm

BibleBot wrote:"Is Jesus God?" or " Resolve: Jesus is God"

tingin ko pareho lang paksa yan jewel. walang pinagbago

patutunayan pa rin na dyos si kristo

hah! malaking pagkakaiba niyan brad!
oo nga patutunayan pa rin na dyos si kristo, hindi naman kwesyon yun eh! ang isyu ay kung na-kanino ang bigat ng pagpapatunay. no ka ba.

Ang former, parehas ang affirmative at ang negative na may burden of proof.
Ang latter, ang affirmative lang ang may burden of proof.
Bases are irrelevant on both of them though.


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Post by spuxtm on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:18 pm

abang abang ako...
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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:15 pm

Pooch wrote:

Although I do not agree with whatever you said that "..it would mean", I am focused debatewise. Hence, I would ask to clarify. Liliwanagin ko lang po:

1. Hinahamon po ninyo ako ng debate. Tama po ba?
2. Since kayo ang naghamon, kayo ang magbibigay ng paksa.
3. At ang paksa ng debate na inooffer ninyo ay ito:

"Is Jesus God according to the Koran"?

4. Sino po ang gusto ninyong nasa apirmatibo, sino ang gusto ninyong nasa negatibo?

Klaruhin ko po muna..


Pooch


Maliwanag po yan ikaw ang apirmatibo dyan alanga naman ako eh muslim ako di po ba judge?


Gusto ko lang patunayan mo dito na tama ang sinabi mo na kung "Is Jesus Is God" sana ang paksa ay malinaw na panalo ako.

Ang sakin naman ay hindi dahil sa paksa yan kundi base sa basihan. Kahit is Jesus Is God ang topic kung bible ang basihan talo parin ako kasi dun sa basihan titimbangin ang mga arguments.

So dito, patutunayan ko na mali ka; ano pa man ang Topic depende parin sa basihan ang tinitingnan.


Ngayon, mamili ka sa dalawa: Is Jesus God, or Resolve: Jesus Is God kung sa tingin mo ay magkaiba nga yan ayon sayo.

Para sakin, basihan parin will count. Ang basihan dyan ay Qur'an.

For transparency sake nalang, either mali yung verdict mo or patunayan mong tama yun dito sa proposal. Simple lang, formal debate walang personalan.

Deal ka ba judge pooch?
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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:32 pm

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hah! malaking pagkakaiba niyan brad!
oo nga patutunayan pa rin na dyos si kristo, hindi naman kwesyon yun eh! ang isyu ay kung na-kanino ang bigat ng pagpapatunay. no ka ba.

Ang former, parehas ang affirmative at ang negative na may burden of proof.
Ang latter, ang affirmative lang ang may burden of proof.
Bases are irrelevant on both of them though.


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Yun naman pala eh. Ang tanong lamang dyan eh, dapat bang ang basihan lang ng affirmative ang basihan ng judgment kung nasa kanya ang burden of proof? Saang rule naman yan? lalo na't hindi tanggap ng negative ang basihan ng affirnative.

Burden of proof simply means the obligation of a party on one side of a dispute or issue to provide sufficient evidence in support of their position -

That doesnt mean that only the affirmative side's evidence/s are to be given account;

Topic: Is Jewel Handsome

Basis/Evidence : Jewel's Mother

Affirmative: Jewel
Negative: Pooch

Is that a fair set up pooch? - I dont think so. But if you say yes, then accept the proposal because the proposal is exactly the same with that illustration.
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Post by Pooch on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:01 pm

Maliwanag po yan ikaw ang apirmatibo dyan alanga naman ako eh muslim ako di po ba judge?


Gusto ko lang patunayan mo dito na tama ang sinabi mo na kung "Is Jesus Is God" sana ang paksa ay malinaw na panalo ako.
Ah oo brad. Kaya hindi ko tatanggapin ang proposisyon mong paksa. Rejected po ito and in return ay magsusuggest ako ng bago. Ganun naman yun eh.

Ang sakin naman ay hindi dahil sa paksa yan kundi base sa basihan. Kahit is Jesus Is God ang topic kung bible ang basihan talo parin ako kasi dun sa basihan titimbangin ang mga arguments.

So dito, patutunayan ko na mali ka; ano pa man ang Topic depende parin sa basihan ang tinitingnan.
Brad lohika lang naman talaga ang basihan eh, no ka ba. Kaya nga debate, sa tagalog katwiranan. Katwiran po ang gagamitin natin. Sa madaling salita, may implied na basihan tayo sa lohika...

ie. Patutunayan ko na si Kristo ay Diyos ayon sa lohika.

Pero redundant kasi na idagdag ang basihan (ayon sa lohika) kaya ang I-QUALIFY ang basehan natin at i-narrow down ito ay sometimes necessary. Hence, ang dalawang participants na naniniwala sa biblya ay maaaring ilagay sa paksa nila ang "ayon sa Biblya" upang hindi lumabas ang isyu rito. gets?


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Post by Pooch on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:04 pm

Ngayon, mamili ka sa dalawa: Is Jesus God, or Resolve: Jesus Is God kung sa tingin mo ay magkaiba nga yan ayon sayo.

Para sakin, basihan parin will count. Ang basihan dyan ay Qur'an.
Ah parehas brad kasi iquinalify mo na agad sa first post mo na iikot ang paksa natin ayon sa koran eh. Now, hindi po ako experto sa koran gayong isang beses ko pa lang po ito nababasa. Samakatwid ay hindi ko kayang tindigan sa apirmatibo na si Hesus ay Diyos ayon sa Koran. Mahihirapan po ako niyan kaya uurong po ako sa suhesyon ninyong paksa na

"Topic: Is Jesus God according to the Koran?"

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Post by Pooch on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:10 pm

Topic: Is Jewel Handsome

Basis/Evidence : Jewel's Mother

Affirmative: Jewel
Negative: Pooch

Is that a fair set up pooch? - I dont think so. But if you say yes, then accept the proposal because the proposal is exactly the same with that illustration.
Hindi yan fair brad BUT IT IS STILL A TOPIC nevertheless. Nasa sa kalaban naman ito kung tatanggapin niya ang paksa o hindi eh. Halimbawa, kung ako pala yung Nanay mo aba'y maaari kong tanggapin ang paksang

Topic: Is WJ handsome according to his mother?

Aba, mas may confidence ako kung ganun. Kuha mo? No matter how ridiculous and unbalanced ang paksa, irrelevant ito sa kalaban dahil ang pagtanggap niya ang importante eh. Kasi kung hindi naman niya ito tatanggapin, wala namang problema eh. Hindi naman pilitan ang debate.

Gaya ko halimbawa, tinanggihan ko ang proposisyon ninyo kasi di naman ako experto sa koran gayong ni-qualify na ninyo agad sa first post ang SCOPE ng debate.


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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:36 pm

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Brad lohika lang naman talaga ang basihan eh, no ka ba. Kaya nga debate, sa tagalog katwiranan. Katwiran po ang gagamitin natin. Sa madaling salita, may implied na basihan tayo sa lohika...

ie. Patutunayan ko na si Kristo ay Diyos ayon sa lohika.

Pero redundant kasi na idagdag ang basihan (ayon sa lohika) kaya ang I-QUALIFY ang basehan natin at i-narrow down ito ay sometimes necessary. Hence, ang dalawang participants na naniniwala sa biblya ay maaaring ilagay sa paksa nila ang "ayon sa Biblya" upang hindi lumabas ang isyu rito. gets?


Pooch

Tama ka brad, redundant na kasi implied na gagamitin ang lohika kaya di na dapat nakasulat pa sa paksa. Ang problema bakit nung talakayin ang tungkol sa lohika bilang pabbalansi kung alin sa dalawang scriptures ang mas logical tungkol sa paniniwala kay Hesus, walang paliwanag ang kalaban ngunit ikaw ang tila sumagot -

Hanggang ngayon di parin maipaliwanag yung papano naging excellent answer yung omnicience dun sa logical objection na How can an infinite be finite yet remains infinite both at the same time? at can God make a stone which he cant lift - para bang kung di alam ang sagot at "omniscience" ang alibi.


Hence, ang dalawang participants na naniniwala sa biblya ay maaaring
ilagay sa paksa nila ang "ayon sa Biblya" upang hindi lumabas ang isyu
rito

Mali po yan. Katunayan sa umpisa pa lang ay nagobject na ako na circular ang tindig ng kalaban kasi nga sa bibliya lang bumasi eh hindi naman ako naniniwala sa bibliya - false assumption.

kaya nga hindi inilagay sa pakasa na "ayon sa bibliya" kasi hindi bibliya lang ang basiha dahil Christian-Muslim debate ang gaganapin at ang Muslim ay hindi naniniwala sa bibliya - so bakit nilimitahan mo sa bibliya ang basihan wala namang nakasulat na "ayon sa bibliya"

dyan naging bias.
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