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Post by BibleBot on Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:47 am

Kaya po pala mahilig mamugot ulo ang mga Muslim na katulad ng abusayyaf at iba pang mga terrorista eh dahil nasusulat pala ito sa Koran, basa!

Kapag may nakita kang hindi sumasampalataya, pugutan sil ang ulo; at sa katagalan kapag tuluyan mo na silang madaig, talian sila: pagkatapos hingan mo ng malaking kabayaran…
Koran 47:4a

Makikita rin diyan ang basihan nila sa paghingi ng ransom sa mga kinikidnap nila.
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Re: Koran 47:4 pagusapan natin

Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:33 pm

BibleBot wrote:Kaya po pala mahilig mamugot ulo ang mga Muslim na katulad ng abusayyaf at iba pang mga terrorista eh dahil nasusulat pala ito sa Koran, basa!

Kapag may nakita kang hindi sumasampalataya, pugutan sil ang ulo; at sa katagalan kapag tuluyan mo na silang madaig, talian sila: pagkatapos hingan mo ng malaking kabayaran…
Koran 47:4a

Makikita rin diyan ang basihan nila sa paghingi ng ransom sa mga kinikidnap nila.


pinagaan kasi yan eh kasi masyadong mabigat ang utos ng bibliya






Death to Followers of Other
Religions



Whoever
sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.
(Exodus
22:19 NAB)





Kill Nonbelievers


They
entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all
their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of
Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)








Kill the Entire Town
if One Person Worships Another God


Suppose you hear in one of the
towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have
led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign
gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you
find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you,
you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well
as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of
the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt
offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it
may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart
for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be
merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation,
just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will
be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you
today, doing what is pleasing to him."
(Deuteronomy 13:13








Kill Followers of Other
Religions.



1)If
your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you
intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your
fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away,
from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him,
nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your
hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join
in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear
and never do such evil as this in your midst.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12
NAB)







God Kills the Curious


And he
smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of
Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the
people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great
slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before
Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?
(1Samuel
6:19-20 ASV)




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Post by BibleBot on Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:50 pm

jewel pagusapan muna natin ang Koran 47:4a
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Post by spuxtm on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:10 pm

tikom na yan...
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Post by harballah on Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:52 pm

BibleBot wrote:jewel pagusapan muna natin ang Koran 47:4a

Una sa lahat ay minsan na namin natalakay iyan sa dating thread mo este si Junny pala, paboritong-paborito niya ang paksang iyan kasi nilalapatan niya ng sariling interpretasyon na kesyo iyan ang talata nag-uutos para mamugot daw ng ulo, pero sige dahil nandito tayo sa bagong tahanan kung saan hindi kayo makakagamit ng power ay ilalatag natin ang mismong talata sa Quran na kinahoy yata doon sa paskil mo kasi tagalog na kulang-kulang.

Ito po ang talata mula sa salin ni Yusuf Ali.

47:4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.


Ngayon ang Chapter 47 ay ang Suratul Muhammad (pbuh), sino ba ang unbelievers na tinutukoy diyan sa talata?

Ano po ang sabi diyan sa BIG BOLD LETTER?

Ayan po papatulan na po namin kayo pero sana huwag po tayong tumakas sa isyung inilatag mo at patungkol sa bibliya na inilatag ni kapatid na jewel ay gawa tayo ng paksa tungkol diyan at sana sumagot din po kayo.

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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:41 pm

BibleBot wrote:jewel pagusapan muna natin ang Koran 47:4a

oo nga pinag-uusapan nga natin.

at ang sagot ko ay kaya ganon ang nakasulat ay dahil hindi namin masunod ang nasa bibliya kasi ang nakasulat sa bibliya ay masyadong brutal

pinagaan kasi yan eh kasi masyadong mabigat ang utos ng bibliya






Death to Followers of Other
Religions



Whoever
sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.
(Exodus
22:19 NAB)





Kill Nonbelievers


They
entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all
their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of
Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)








Kill the Entire Town
if One Person Worships Another God


Suppose you hear in one of the
towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have
led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign
gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you
find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you,
you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well
as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of
the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt
offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it
may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart
for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be
merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation,
just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will
be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you
today, doing what is pleasing to him."
(Deuteronomy 13:13








Kill Followers of Other
Religions.



1)If
your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you
intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your
fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away,
from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him,
nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your
hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join
in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear
and never do such evil as this in your midst.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12
NAB)







God Kills the Curious


And he
smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of
Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the
people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great
slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before
Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?
(1Samuel
6:19-20 ASV)


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Post by vril on Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:22 pm

both books are telling to kill unbelievers..no difference at all. Shows how intolerant god is especially to unbelievers.

talk about the brutal and morbid side of all-loving and merciful god commanding his followers. whew.

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Post by harballah on Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:26 pm

vril wrote:both books are telling to kill unbelievers..no difference at all. Shows how intolerant god is especially to unbelievers.

talk about the brutal and morbid side of all-loving and merciful god commanding his followers. whew.

Matanong ko lang kayo Vril, saan po kayo kabilang ?

So, tanggap mo ba na utos ng Diyos mo iyong nasa lumang tipan.

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Post by BibleBot on Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:48 pm

harballah wrote:

Una sa lahat ay minsan na namin natalakay iyan sa dating thread mo este si Junny pala, paboritong-paborito niya ang paksang iyan kasi nilalapatan niya ng sariling interpretasyon na kesyo iyan ang talata nag-uutos para mamugot daw ng ulo, pero sige dahil nandito tayo sa bagong tahanan kung saan hindi kayo makakagamit ng power ay ilalatag natin ang mismong talata sa Quran na kinahoy yata doon sa paskil mo kasi tagalog na kulang-kulang.

Ito po ang talata mula sa salin ni Yusuf Ali.

47:4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.


Ngayon ang Chapter 47 ay ang Suratul Muhammad (pbuh), sino ba ang unbelievers na tinutukoy diyan sa talata?

Ano po ang sabi diyan sa BIG BOLD LETTER?

Ayan po papatulan na po namin kayo pero sana huwag po tayong tumakas sa isyung inilatag mo at patungkol sa bibliya na inilatag ni kapatid na jewel ay gawa tayo ng paksa tungkol diyan at sana sumagot din po kayo.

kaya pala pag nagkakagyera ang abu sayyaf at MILF laban sa gobyerno yan ang ginagamit nilang talata
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Post by Jewel on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:00 pm

vril wrote:both books are telling to kill unbelievers..no difference at all. Shows how intolerant god is especially to unbelievers.

talk about the brutal and morbid side of all-loving and merciful god commanding his followers. whew.

I would give due consideration to atheists questioning about the verses of war in Islam because they dont know about them (verses) and that they dont have a religious scripture.

However, if the same is done by a Christian, i would slap his face with his own bible verses because he should have read his bible before making allegations in Islam regarding verses of war. That shows his extreme ignorant about his own religion; shooting his own foot so to speak.

Thanks for your neutral comment bro vril
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Post by harballah on Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:53 pm

BibleBot wrote:

kaya pala pag nagkakagyera ang abu sayyaf at MILF laban sa gobyerno yan ang ginagamit nilang talata

Teka bakit napunta ka nasa abusayyaf at MILF, akala ko ang pag-uusapan ay ang propaganda mo diyan.

Kitam! estilo mo talaga ay si Junny...............umaalingasaw talaga ang amoy ninyo kasi magkatulad na magkatulad kayo mula sa topic at estilo ng pagsagot.

Pinatulan na nga kita diyan kahit napag-usapan na iyan doon sa ibang FORUM.

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Post by miss_terry on Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:58 pm

parang nakakatakot naman
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miss_terry wrote:parang nakakatakot naman

Saan ka natatakot sa Quran o sa bibliya

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Post by miss_terry on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:21 pm

kailangan pa po ba talagang magpatayan?
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Post by vril on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:56 pm

harballah wrote:

Matanong ko lang kayo Vril, saan po kayo kabilang ?

So, tanggap mo ba na utos ng Diyos mo iyong nasa lumang tipan.

wala po akong dyos alien

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Post by harballah on Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:35 pm

miss_terry wrote:kailangan pa po ba talagang magpatayan?

Hindi po ninyo nasagot ang tanong ko, sa Quran ba o sa bibilya kayo natakot patungkol sa patayan.


vril wrote:
wala po akong dyos

Kung wala kang Diyos ay kabilang po ba kayo sa Atheist ?

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may nakasaad po ba sa Biblya o sa Quran na kailangang pumatay?
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miss_terry wrote:may nakasaad po ba sa Biblya o sa Quran na kailangang pumatay?

Actually sa Quran ay walang sinasabing pumatay ng inosenteng buhay, kung ipinag-utos man niyang pumatay ay kung ikaw ay kailangan magtanggol sa sarili mo o ng relihiyon mo.

Pero sa bibliya ay mismong ang Diyos ninyo ang nagsabing pumatay at patayin maski ang mga inosenteng buhay.


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Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

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Post by miss_terry on Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:34 pm

Ibig sabihin po ba contradicting ang verse na yan sa isa sa sampung utos ng Diyos na thou shalt not kill?
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miss_terry wrote:Ibig sabihin po ba contradicting ang verse na yan sa isa sa sampung utos ng Diyos na thou shalt not kill?

Hindi kita masasagot kasi bibliya ninyo iyan at ang gusto ko lang malaman ay naniniwala ka bang utos ng Diyos ninyo iyan.

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Post by miss_terry on Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:16 pm

For me. That passage should not be interpreted literally. Im not a Bible expert. Pero. @ topic po, ah, papatay lang po kapag inutos?
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Post by harballah on Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:39 am

miss_terry wrote:For me. That passage should not be interpreted literally. Im not a Bible expert. Pero. @ topic po, ah, papatay lang po kapag inutos?

Sige po Miss_Terry hindi ko na ipipilit sa inyo na alamin kung naniniwala ka na utos ng Diyos ninyo iyan basi sa nakasaad sa bibliya ninyo.

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Post by Teng on Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:34 am

harballah wrote:

Actually sa Quran ay walang sinasabing pumatay ng inosenteng buhay, kung ipinag-utos man niyang pumatay ay kung ikaw ay kailangan magtanggol sa sarili mo o ng relihiyon mo.

Pero sa bibliya ay mismong ang Diyos ninyo ang nagsabing pumatay at patayin maski ang mga inosenteng buhay.


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Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

Hula yan at hindi pa nangyayari yan.

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Post by harballah on Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:32 am

Teng wrote:

Hula yan at hindi pa nangyayari yan.

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Patunayan mong hula nga iyan at hindi kautusan ng Diyos mo.

What about dito, hula rin ba?


Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman who has known man intimately, but all the girls

who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

...Numbers 31:17-18

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Post by Teng on Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:56 am

Teng wrote:

Hula yan at hindi pa nangyayari yan.

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Hindi ba ang quote mo nasa Ezekiel 9:6?
Bakit ka tumakbo sa Numbers 31:17-18?

At saka ang ibinigay mong talata digmaan yan.
Pinapapatay ang mga lalake at mga batang lalake dahil kapag lumaki yan magiging kawal yan na lalaban rin sa kanila.
Sa mga babae na may asawa na pinapapatay na rin dahil nga naangkin na sila ng ibnag lalake at hindi na pwede pang maging asawa nila.
At saka panahon yan ni Moises at hindi ni Kristo. Kaya nga hindi namin sinusunod si Moises.

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