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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by fredms3 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:02 am

sakundes wrote:

why is it that most religions condemn the basest of instincts? that everything that is good is shunned in favor of self-restrict, sacrifice and asceticism?

from avarice, to sexual pleasures, to gluttony, and many more.. many religions kill the aspect of "self" in order to gain control over it's people..

What good is there if we're going against the law of the Ultimate Good ---- God.

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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:36 am

What good is there if we're going against the law of the Ultimate Good ---- God.

the ultimate good is "self".. self is the beginning and the end for any other pursuits, aims, or goals.. morals and altruism are but a means to an entirely selfish end.

in the direst of situations... you are mugged and about to be slain by your attacker. for some sheer chance of luck you grad ahold of a knife (but so as is your attacker). will you kill to save yourself or obey the 10 commandments?

i know you will not fail the test.. in the hardest times, you will choose self among many others ^_^
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:37 am

would you have been with your religion if not for the promise of salvation?

but im quite sure yours is not a self-serving faith ^_^
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by korrill on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:42 am

harballah wrote:

Dhugz salamat sa iyong deretsahan sagot, alam mo bang may napanood akong balita sa TV PATROL kung saan ng dahil sa malaswang panoorin ay ginahasa ng isang 12 anyos ang isang 4 anyos na kalaro niya.

Actually, the root of the problem is not pornography.

Let me illustrate:

Police have identified a child killed Friday afternoon after an apparent accidental shooting.Dispatchers said some children had been playing with a firearm in the basement of a building on the 3500 block of Purdue Avenue.The 7-year-old was shot at about 4:35 p.m. when the gun accidentally fired, dispatchers said.

Who was at fault in this situation?

a. The boy

b. The gun

c. The parents
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by gin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:44 am

korrill wrote:

Actually, the root of the problem is not pornography.

Let me illustrate:



Who was at fault in this situation?

a. The boy

b. The gun

c. The parents

Sasabihin, kasalanan raw nung baril lol!
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by fredms3 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:03 pm

sakundes wrote:

the ultimate good is "self".. self is the beginning and the end for any other pursuits, aims, or goals.. morals and altruism are but a means to an entirely selfish end.

in the direst of situations... you are mugged and about to be slain by your attacker. for some sheer chance of luck you grad ahold of a knife (but so as is your attacker). will you kill to save yourself or obey the 10 commandments?

i know you will not fail the test.. in the hardest times, you will choose self among many others ^_^

Therefore the God is yourself. Same reason why Lucifer looked otherwise.

It's a foregone conclusion regarding protecting oneself from imminent danger. Having done that does not make one guilty of killing as meant in the 10 C.

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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:16 pm

Therefore the God is yourself. Same reason why Lucifer looked otherwise.

It's a foregone conclusion regarding protecting oneself from imminent danger. Having done that does not make one guilty of killing as meant in the 10 C.

you cant put it any other way.. you ended someone else's life even in the same of self-preservation.

as for me being a god for myself.. please dont confuse the word "priority" with the word "god". i just value myself more than anything else ^_^

selfishness is the highest virtue - ayn rand ^_^
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by element_115x on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:28 pm

gin wrote:

Solution:

Tanggalin ang supply ng kuryente!

Maybe the solution would be to saturate the people more with such materials. Let's not repress them. Eventually the people would then refrain from thinking about such stuff as a 'big deal'. I think the problem stems from the repression. Smile

Look at European countries, who have Naturist Camps and Nudist Colonies. So far these countries end up being more peaceful.
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by gin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:34 pm

element_115x wrote:

Maybe the solution would be to saturate the people more with such materials. Let's not repress them. Eventually the people would then refrain from thinking about such stuff as a 'big deal'. I think the problem stems from the repression. Smile

Look at European countries, who have Naturist Camps and Nudist Colonies. So far these countries end up being more peaceful.

Hmmm... puede...
Pero--parang malayong mangyari 'yan dito sa Pinas. Sandamakmak kasi ang religion dito, eh. Maraming tataas ang kilay Razz
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Post by element_115x on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:35 pm

gin wrote:

Hmmm... puede...
Pero--parang malayong mangyari 'yan dito sa Pinas. Sandamakmak kasi ang religion dito, eh. Maraming tataas ang kilay Razz

Exactly! So it's not surprising why the Philippines is having a backlog hehe. Razz
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Post by gin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:42 pm

Malapit na tuloy akong maniwala na religion talaga ang balakid kung bakit hindi umuusad ang Pinas, eh...
Well, tingin ko lang naman Razz

Sabi nga nung Papa ko, bakit raw 'yong mga bansa na 'less religious', eh, umaasenso. Bakit raw 'yong Pinas, parang paurong lol!
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Post by element_115x on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:45 pm

gin wrote:Malapit na tuloy akong maniwala na religion talaga ang balakid kung bakit hindi umuusad ang Pinas, eh...
Well, tingin ko lang naman Razz

Sabi nga nung Papa ko, bakit raw 'yong mga bansa na 'less religious', eh, umaasenso. Bakit raw 'yong Pinas, parang paurong lol!

That's because for the 'believers', the life next after this one is more important. That's basically how it is. Razz
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Post by gin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:50 pm

element_115x wrote:

That's because for the 'believers', the life next after this one is more important. That's basically how it is. Razz

Eh, ang tanong, kanino kayang 'God' ng mga 'believers' ang tutupad sa pangako... Razz
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by MarcCatholic on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:52 pm

sakundes wrote:

the ultimate good is "self".. self is the beginning and the end for any other pursuits, aims, or goals.. morals and altruism are but a means to an entirely selfish end.

in the direst of situations... you are mugged and about to be slain by your attacker. for some sheer chance of luck you grad ahold of a knife (but so as is your attacker). will you kill to save yourself or obey the 10 commandments?

i know you will not fail the test.. in the hardest times, you will choose self among many others ^_^


Bagay na bagay lang to sa Gospel kahapon e. Puro ako, akin..lahat. Hangal! ngayong gabi ay babawian ka ng buhay.


Dude, we will not stop you with your belief but let me remind you, that even the mores of our society will tell you what is right and wrong in terms of self greed. You eat too much, you suffer health problems.


"in the direst of situations... you are mugged and about to be slain by
your attacker. for some sheer chance of luck you grad ahold of a knife
(but so as is your attacker). will you kill to save yourself or obey the
10 commandments?"


With this statement you seem to imply that we Christians don't defend and value our lives. That's a very lame analogy. Only because of the 10 commandments you caught us that we have no choice but to let ourselves be killed with the attacker. If you can't run and save your life, then it is most likely here to "fight" for your life. You concluded the situation in your unrealistic point of view. And btw, if you don't value life, as most anti-theism do when they can't define the essence of life, then it would be very acceptable to you to just waste life. So, you kill.
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:04 pm

Bagay na bagay lang to sa Gospel kahapon e. Puro ako, akin..lahat. Hangal! ngayong gabi ay babawian ka ng buhay.


Dude, we will not stop you with your belief but let me remind you, that even the mores of our society will tell you what is right and wrong in terms of self greed. You eat too much, you suffer health problems.


"in the direst of situations... you are mugged and about to be slain by
your attacker. for some sheer chance of luck you grad ahold of a knife
(but so as is your attacker). will you kill to save yourself or obey the
10 commandments?"


With this statement you seem to imply that we Christians don't defend and value our lives. That's a very lame analogy. Only because of the 10 commandments you caught us that we have no choice but to let ourselves be killed with the attacker. If you can't run and save your life, then it is most likely here to "fight" for your life. You concluded the situation in your unrealistic point of view. And btw, if you don't value life, as most anti-theism do when they can't define the essence of life, then it would be very acceptable to you to just waste life. So, you kill.

you are right.. i only have one life and id be glad to die content with worldly pleasures than invest in some mumbo-jumbo you call the afterlife ^_^

the closest idea i can think of the afterlife for us atheists is that when we die.. we return back to what we once were... we too are stardust ^_^
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:08 pm

and thinking about the afterlife.. heaven must be the most boring place in the universe... you'd be spending eternity singing halleluya and praising god.. wont that be tiresome and repetitive for say after a few million years? what to do after that? id be so bored id wish id cease to exist. that's why i value death as the best and final part of life.. for nothing can give us true peace than death. at one point we all must die.

when i die.. i am no more.. i cant ask for anything else ^_^
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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by fredms3 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:06 pm

sakundes wrote:

you cant put it any other way.. you ended someone else's life even in the same of self-preservation.

as for me being a god for myself.. please dont confuse the word "priority" with the word "god". i just value myself more than anything else ^_^

selfishness is the highest virtue - ayn rand ^_^

The important thing there is that you are not guilty of killing someone borne out of hatred, envy etc..but preservation of your own life. Otherwise, why wait for other to kill you, if you can do it to yourself.

I did not say don't value yourself, you have to do it to yourself actually. But to say that the ultimate good is yourself then you're going out of nowhere.

Selfishness can never go hand in hand with Love.


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Re: PORNOGRAPHY

Post by harballah on Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:03 pm

korrill wrote:Actually, the root of the problem is not pornography.

Let me illustrate:



Who was at fault in this situation?

a. The boy

b. The gun

c. The parents

Madali lang po ang sagot diyan, kung wala pong baril ay wala pong mapuputukan pero sa tingin ko ay napakalayo po ng pagkukumpara ninyo ng baril sa pornograpiya.

Una-una ang baril po ay puwedeng itago sa lugar kung saan hindi makikita ng bata, katulad din sa mga matatandang nanood ng pornograpiya, kung mahilig po silang manood nito ay huwag nilang panoorin kung saan nandoon ang mga bata.

Sa kaso po ng pornograpiya ay madaling makikita ng mga bata sapagkat iyan ay naglilipana ang bold movies sa bangketa, nakalatag ang mga malalaswang larawan sa diyaryo, nakadikit ang larawan ng mga mananayaw sa labas ng disco bar, madaling mag-access ang mga bata sa internet.

Ngayon papaano mo ikukumpara ang baril sa pornograpiya............again, nauunawaan ko po kayo kung paborito ninyo ang pornograpiya.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:09 pm

sakundes wrote:
you are right.. i only have one life and id be glad to die content with worldly pleasures than invest in some mumbo-jumbo you call the afterlife ^_^

the closest idea i can think of the afterlife for us atheists is that when we die.. we return back to what we once were... we too are stardust ^_^


And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire, (It will be said to them): "Ye received your good things in the life of the world, and ye took your pleasure out of them: but today shall ye be recompensed with a Penalty of humiliation: for that ye were arrogant on earth without just cause, and that ye (ever) transgressed."
( سورة الأحقاف , Al-Ahqaf, Chapter #46, Verse #20)

Know ye (all), that the life of this world is but play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying, (in rivalry) among yourselves, riches and children. Here is a similitude: How rain and the growth which it brings forth, delight (the hearts of) the tillers; soon it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then it becomes dry and crumbles away. But in the Hereafter is a Penalty severe (for the devotees of wrong). And Forgiveness from Allah and (His) Good pleasure (for the devotees of Allah.. And what is the life of this world, but goods and chattels of deception? ( سورة الحديد , Al-Hadid, Chapter #57, Verse #20)


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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:20 pm

well said kuya harby ^_^

but as for me.. live life without regrets.. without fear of damnation and the afterlife ^_^
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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:28 pm

sakundes wrote:well said kuya harby ^_^

but as for me.. live life without regrets.. without fear of damnation and the afterlife ^_^

It's your wish to happen.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by fredms3 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:30 pm

Sandaling kaligayahan habangbuhay na pagsisisihan.

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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:35 pm

Sandaling kaligayahan habangbuhay na pagsisisihan.

again, that's just an assumption ^_^

do any of you guys have real proof that there's a paradise? you cant even tell me which one is real as all of you have your own versions. the catholics have their heaven, the jews have their new jerusalem and eden, the moslems have their 70 virgin biatches (im rooting for islam mind you lols), the buddhist have nirvana.

now, do i get to pick one or only one of these given is right?
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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:43 pm

sakundes wrote:again, that's just an assumption ^_^

do any of you guys have real proof that there's a paradise? you cant even tell me which one is real as all of you have your own versions. the catholics have their heaven, the jews have their new jerusalem and eden, the moslems have their 70 virgin biatches (im rooting for islam mind you lols), the buddhist have nirvana.

now, do i get to pick one or only one of these given is right?

Kung anuman ang sinasabi ng tinutukoy mo patungkol sa Paraiso ay nangangahulugan lamang na mayroon ngang paraiso at siguradong nagkakaisa rin na mayroon din impiyerno.

Ang tao ay mayroon patutunguhan kapag sila ay namatay, ikaw ba alam mo ba kung kailan ka mamamatay at kung mamamatay kaba ay alam mo kung saan pupunta ang espiritu/kaluluwa mo?

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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:51 pm

Kung anuman ang sinasabi ng tinutukoy mo patungkol sa Paraiso ay nangangahulugan lamang na mayroon ngang paraiso at siguradong nagkakaisa rin na mayroon din impiyerno.

Ang tao ay mayroon patutunguhan kapag sila ay namatay, ikaw ba alam mo ba kung kailan ka mamamatay at kung mamamatay kaba ay alam mo kung saan pupunta ang espiritu/kaluluwa mo?

even "if" there is.. what makes you think that you have the right version? are you not gonna be damned just like the rest of us heathens? all of you claim exclusivity to salvation and that is reason enough to deduce that everyone's gonna go to hell ^_^

so before you make the extended visit, why not spend the time to know your way around? and dont worry, even if we see each other in hell, im not gonna say "i told you so". you can bet on dat! ^_^

but seriously, im rooting for your own version especially with the houris.. there is nothing more perverted than that compared with other religions... christianity is the most boring id say, so id want nothing to do with them +_+

cheers! ^_^
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