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Post by Esther on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:22 pm

First Christian Sabbath.

any history lesson for me?

what did the apostles do?

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by ramcam2 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:34 pm

This is a tradition that Christianity owes to the Catholic Church.
Just like Christmas and Easter.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Comb@tron on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:11 pm

Esther wrote:First Christian Sabbath.

any history lesson for me?

what did the apostles do?

christian sabbath? rest day for christians
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Comb@tron on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:14 pm

ramcam2 wrote:This is a tradition that Christianity owes to the Catholic Church.
Just like Christmas and Easter.

Question owes the catholic??? helow panahon pa ni moses nung binigay ang sabbath day WALANG CATHOLIC CHURCH DOON Rolling Eyes
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:22 pm

The earliest Christians were mostly Jews who converted. They continued to go worship God in the temple, and to celebrate the early form of the Mass in homes of various Christians.

The Gospels do have language referring to the day that Jesus rose from the dead, Sunday,as the "first Sabbath",(the first Christian Sabbath). The Resurrection was often the focus of the preaching of early Christians, so it is unthinkable that they did not celebrate that day.

To claim that Christians only started celebrating the day of the Resurrection hundreds of years later is patently false. This is similar to many other claims, such as that priestly celibacy was a late development, or that a male only clergy was a late development, or that the papacy and Magisterium was a late development, etc. It is a common false claim (lateness) used to attack one teaching of the Church or another.
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Post by Yidda on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:25 pm

Mt{28:1} Now on the morning of the Sabbath, when it began to grow light on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher.

Notice that Matthew, after the Crucifixion, begins to count Sunday, the day of the Resurrection, as the Sabbath. Whereas, elsewhere in his Gospel, he counts Saturday as the Sabbath. He also states that this day is the first (Christian) Sabbath.
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Post by Yidda on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:28 pm

Mk{16:1} And when the [Jewish] Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

Mk{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the [Christian] Sabbaths, they went to the
tomb, the sun having now risen.

Both Matthew and Mark make a point of calling this Sunday, the first Sabbath, not the first day of the week. This was the first Sabbath of the Christian Faith. All prior Sabbaths, including the previous day, a Saturday, were the Jewish Sabbaths.
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Post by Comb@tron on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:33 pm

Yidda wrote:Mt{28:1} Now on the morning of the Sabbath, when it began to grow light on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher.

Notice that Matthew, after the Crucifixion, begins to count Sunday, the day of the Resurrection, as the Sabbath. Whereas, elsewhere in his Gospel, he counts Saturday as the Sabbath. He also states that this day is the first (Christian) Sabbath.

Yidda wrote:Mk{16:1} And when the [Jewish] Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

Mk{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the [Christian] Sabbaths, they went to the
tomb, the sun having now risen.

Both Matthew and Mark make a point of calling this Sunday, the first Sabbath, not the first day of the week. This was the first Sabbath of the Christian Faith. All prior Sabbaths, including the previous day, a Saturday, were the Jewish Sabbaths.

literal bang sinabing sunday ang sabbath? paano kung may pasok ako ng sunday? at ang restday ko ay monday? hindi ko ba matuturing na monday ang sabbath day ko?


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Post by Dhugz on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:48 pm

Yan ang itinatadhana ng Simbahan na Sabbath ng mga Kristiyano, dahil sa panahon ng mga apostol nagdaraos sila nang misa sa kalaunan sa araw ng linggo.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Comb@tron on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:05 pm

Literal bang sinabi yan dhugz?

paano kung may pasok ako ng sunday? at ang restday ko ay monday? hindi ko ba matuturing na monday ang sabbath day ko?
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Post by catholicarchie on Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:46 pm

Comb@tron wrote:Literal bang sinabi yan dhugz?

paano kung may pasok ako ng sunday? at ang restday ko ay monday? hindi ko ba matuturing na monday ang sabbath day ko?

eh di sumamba kayo ng Sunday tapos pumasok kayo sa trabaho ninyo.
pwede rin Saturday kung may misa sa hapon

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by element_115x on Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:54 pm



I thought days are not important anymore during the Christian dispensation in terms of sabbath? I thought Jesus Christ himself IS the actual Sabbath now, in that through him Christians can find 'rest'??? confused
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Post by Comb@tron on Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:11 pm

catholicarchie wrote:

eh di sumamba kayo ng Sunday tapos pumasok kayo sa trabaho ninyo.
pwede rin Saturday kung may misa sa hapon

Ang sinasabi ko catholicarchie, Literal bang sinabi nA SUNDAY ang SABBATH DAY according sa Bible?

Ang sabbath day ay araw ng pamamahinga. Paano kung may pasok ako ng linggo at resday ko ay monday?
MATUTURING KO BANG MONDAY ANG SABBATH DAY KO?
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Post by Dhugz on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:36 pm

Comb@tron wrote:Literal bang sinabi yan dhugz?

paano kung may pasok ako ng sunday? at ang restday ko ay monday? hindi ko ba matuturing na monday ang sabbath day ko?

Pwede naman, sa Catholic Church may daily Mass kaya pwede mong gawing monday ang sabbath day mo. Naiintindihan ng Simbahan at ng Diyos na di ka makapangilin sa Sunday bilang sabbath basta ibibigay mo sa Diyos ang monday sa ating Simbahan at sa Diyos.
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Post by Shon on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:39 pm

Yidda wrote:The earliest Christians were mostly Jews who converted. They continued to go worship God in the temple, and to celebrate the early form of the Mass in homes of various Christians.

The Gospels do have language referring to the day that Jesus rose from the dead, Sunday,as the "first Sabbath",(the first Christian Sabbath). The Resurrection was often the focus of the preaching of early Christians, so it is unthinkable that they did not celebrate that day.

To claim that Christians only started celebrating the day of the Resurrection hundreds of years later is patently false. This is similar to many other claims, such as that priestly celibacy was a late development, or that a male only clergy was a late development, or that the papacy and Magisterium was a late development, etc. It is a common false claim (lateness) used to attack one teaching of the Church or another.

What? Ano daw?!? May claim daw na ngayon lang ang Pagka-Papa. Haaayyyy naku mga pervert sila. Tignan nga nila kung kelan naging Santo Papa si Papa Linus. Si Papa San Linus ay naging Santo Papa noong 67 AD hanggang 76 AD. Si Papa San Anacletus ay naging Santo Papa noong 79 AD hanggang 92 AD. Si Papa San Clemente I naging Santo Papa noong 92 AD at nagtapos ang kanyang Pagka-Papa noong 99 AD. Si Papa San Evaristo naging Santo Papa noong 99 AD at nagtapos ang kanyang Pagka-Papa noong 107 AD. Anong ngayon lang ang systema ng Pagka-Papa. Sinungalin ang mga nag-ke-claim nun. They are perverted. Just dance, you'll be okay!



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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by ramcam2 on Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:48 pm

Comb@tron wrote:

owes the catholic??? helow panahon pa ni moses nung binigay ang sabbath day WALANG CATHOLIC CHURCH DOON

i presume you still celebrate it on a saturday just like in the old testament. correct me if i am wrong.
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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:17 pm

May binanggit bang araw ang bibliya ninyo tungkol sa eksaktong pagsasagawa ninyo ng sabbath, mas maganda kasi kung may katibayan na sinasabing sa ganitong araw ng mamahinga ang Diyos basi sa nakasaad sa bibliya.

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:50 am

Luke 24:1

Then, on the first Sabbath, at very first light, they went to the tomb, carrying the aromatic spices that they had prepared.


John
20:1 Una autem Sabbati, Maria Magdalene venit mane, cum adhuc tenebræ essent, ad monumentum: et vidit lapidem sublatum a monumento.

{20:1} Then on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and she saw that the stone had been rolled away from the tomb.

As with the other Gospels, John points out that this Sunday was the first Christian Sabbath. The phrase ‘una sabbati’ does not mean the first day of the week, but the first Sabbath.

...and God "rested" on the seventh day. We still keep holy the seventh day. Sunday is our seventh day.

Mt 5:17
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Post by Ateo on Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:06 am

Yidda wrote:Mk{16:1} And when the [Jewish] Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

Mk{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the [Christian] Sabbaths, they went to the
tomb, the sun having now risen.

Both Matthew and Mark make a point of calling this Sunday, the first Sabbath, not the first day of the week. This was the first Sabbath of the Christian Faith. All prior Sabbaths, including the previous day, a Saturday, were the Jewish Sabbaths.


Anong version ng Bible ang ginamit mo? Merong term na "first of the Sabbaths"? Hmmm! Suspicious! I think doctored version yang ginamit mo, hospitalized pa nga eh Smile. All the other version does not have that sense. They simply say that it was the first day of the week, not the first Sabbath.

Ito yung ibang versions: http://bible.cc/mark/16-2.htm

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Post by Yidda on Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:26 am

This version of the Bible is called the Catholic Public Domain Version (CPDV) of the Holy Bible. The Catholic Public Domain Version of the Bible is a translation of the Sacred Bible, Sixtus V and Clement VIII Latin Vulgate edition. The 1914 Hetzenauer edition of the Vulgate was the main source text. Several other Latin editions were consulted including the 1861 Vercellone edition, the 1822 - 1824 Leander van Ess edition (which compares the 1590, 1592, 1593, 1598 editions of the Sixtus V and Clement VIII editions), and the modern-day Tweedale Edition (London, 2005). The Challoner Douay-Rheims Version of the Bible was used as a guide in translating the Latin text into English. The original Rheims Douai Bible was also frequently consulted.
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Post by Comb@tron on Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:07 pm

harballah wrote:May binanggit bang araw ang bibliya ninyo tungkol sa eksaktong pagsasagawa ninyo ng sabbath, mas maganda kasi kung may katibayan na sinasabing sa ganitong araw ng mamahinga ang Diyos basi sa nakasaad sa bibliya.

same question from harballa. pasagot na lang mga frend kong cats
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Post by Esther on Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:59 am

my understanding of the above passages of Yidda particularly Mark

{16:1} And when the Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the Sabbaths, they went to the tomb, the sun having now risen.

The Gospel of Mark teaches that the Resurrection changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

Verse 1 calls
Saturday the Sabbath;

verse 2 changes to calling Sunday the Sabbath. The
sun had risen, and the Son had Risen.

how about you what is your thought on christian sabbath?

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Post by harballah on Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:25 am

Esther wrote:my understanding of the above passages of Yidda particularly Mark

{16:1} And when the Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the Sabbaths, they went to the tomb, the sun having now risen.

The Gospel of Mark teaches that the Resurrection changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

Verse 1 calls
Saturday the Sabbath;

verse 2 changes to calling Sunday the Sabbath. The
sun had risen, and the Son had Risen.

how about you what is your thought on christian sabbath?

Esther ganyan parin iyong post mo sa una, wala parin sinasabing sunday ang sabbath day ninyo.

Atsaka saan galing iyan "first of the sabbaths"

Mark 16 (KJV)
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16 (NIV)


The Resurrection


1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"


Saan po galing iyong salin mong "first of the Sabbaths"

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Post by ramcam2 on Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:02 am

harballah wrote:May binanggit bang araw ang bibliya ninyo tungkol sa eksaktong pagsasagawa ninyo ng sabbath, mas maganda kasi kung may katibayan na sinasabing sa ganitong araw ng mamahinga ang Diyos basi sa nakasaad sa bibliya.

The consecration of Sunday to the public worship of God by the hearing of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and resting from work is a Catholic tradition which began as early as the first three centuries. The practice of meeting together on the first day of the week for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is indicated in Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2; in Apocalypse 1:10 , it is called the Lord's day.
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Post by ramcam2 on Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:07 am

Comb@tron wrote:

same question from harballa. pasagot na lang mga frend kong cats

What day do you celebrate public worship/rest and why?
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