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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Esther on Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:04 am

harballah wrote:

Esther ganyan parin iyong post mo sa una, wala parin sinasabing sunday ang sabbath day ninyo.

Atsaka saan galing iyan "first of the sabbaths"

Mark 16 (KJV)
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16 (NIV)


The Resurrection


1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"


Saan po galing iyong salin mong "first of the Sabbaths"

the resurrection falls on Sunday - ( the word sabbati is sometimes translated in "week" bec. perhaps saturday sabbath - is weekend to the Jew) ) looking the verses closely you will find the "first sabbath" = Resurrection.

Jesus died on First Good Friday and

had Risen on the first Easter Sunday = the first sabbath.

I don't have a scholarship in Bible translation so I cannot answer you about Greek or Latin words in Scripture.

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by harballah on Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:59 pm

Esther wrote:
the resurrection falls on Sunday - ( the word sabbati is sometimes translated in "week" bec. perhaps saturday sabbath - is weekend to the Jew) ) looking the verses closely you will find the "first sabbath" = Resurrection.

Jesus died on First Good Friday and

had Risen on the first Easter Sunday = the first sabbath.

I don't have a scholarship in Bible translation so I cannot answer you about Greek or Latin words in Scripture.

Esther tingnan mong mabuti ang nasa Mark.

Mark 16 (KJV)
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. [/quote]

Kung ang resurrection ang siyang sabbath, bakit ang sabi diyan sa Mark 16:1 ay "when the sabbath was past ".

Bakit po nabanggit ang word na sabbath na nakaraan na, so ibig sabihin ay hindi po sunday ang sabbath, ang sabbath ay dumaan na "either friday or saturday".

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Dhugz on Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:09 am

Kuya Harby, noong una ang aming sabbath ay ipinagdiriwang ng Sabado sabay sa mga Hudyo upang hindi magagalit ang mga hudyo sa amin, ng kalaunan ang mga apostol inunti unti nilang ipagngilin ang Sunday o first day of the week bilang sabbath.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by harballah on Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:14 am

Dhugz wrote:Kuya Harby, noong una ang aming sabbath ay ipinagdiriwang ng Sabado sabay sa mga Hudyo upang hindi magagalit ang mga hudyo sa amin, ng kalaunan ang mga apostol inunti unti nilang ipagngilin ang Sunday o first day of the week bilang sabbath.

Kung ganoon ay katulad kayo dati ng mga sabadista na nagdiriwang din ng sabado at silang mga sabadista ay hindi nila inalis ang kinagisnan nilang pagsunod ng mga hudyo sa araw na ito. Pero kayo ay inilipat ninyo sa araw ng linggo.

Dhugz, pasensiya kana gusto ko rin alamin kay Esther kung bakit sa salin niya ay mayron nakalagay na first day of sabbath, anong salin kaya ito

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:52 am

harballah wrote:

Esther tingnan mong mabuti ang nasa Mark.

Mark 16 (KJV)
1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Kung ang resurrection ang siyang sabbath, bakit ang sabi diyan sa Mark 16:1 ay "when the sabbath was past ".

Bakit
po nabanggit ang word na sabbath na nakaraan na, so ibig sabihin ay
hindi po sunday ang sabbath, ang sabbath ay dumaan na "either friday or
saturday".

That is the Jewish Sabbath, In the Jewish faith, the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath, a holy day.
Mark
{16:1} Et cum transisset Sabbatum, Maria Magdalene, et Maria Iacobi, et Salome emerunt aromata ut venientes ungerent Iesum.
{16:1} And when the [Jewish] Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

{16:2} Et valde mane una Sabbatorum, veniunt ad monumentum, orto iam sole.
{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the [Christian] Sabbaths, they went to the tomb, the sun having now risen.

Both Matthew and Mark make a point of calling this Sunday, the first Sabbath, not the first day of the week. This was the first Sabbath of the Christian Faith. All prior Sabbaths, including the previous day, a Saturday, were the Jewish Sabbaths.

Matthew
{28:1} Vespere autem Sabbati, quæ lucescit in prima Sabbati, venit Maria Magdalene, et altera Maria videre sepulchrum.
{28:1} Now on the morning of the Sabbath, when it began to grow light on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher.

Notice that Matthew, after the Crucifixion, begins to count Sunday, the day of the Resurrection, as the Sabbath. Whereas, elsewhere in his Gospel, he counts Saturday as the Sabbath. He also states that this day is the first (Christian) Sabbath.
Luke 2
{24:1} Una autem Sabbati valde diluculo venerunt ad monumentum, portantes quæ paraverant, aromata:
{24:1} Then, on the first Sabbath, at very first light, they went to the tomb, carrying the aromatic spices that they had prepared.

John
{20:1} Una autem Sabbati, Maria Magdalene venit mane, cum adhuc tenebræ essent, ad monumentum: et vidit lapidem sublatum a monumento.
{20:1} Then on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and she saw that the stone had been rolled away from the tomb.

As with the other Gospels, John points out that this Sunday was the first Christian Sabbath. The phrase ‘una sabbati’ does not mean the first day of the week, but the first Sabbath.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:59 am

Harballah wrote:
Esther tingnan mong mabuti ang nasa Mark.

Mark 16 (KJV)
1And when the
sabbath was past
, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of
James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint
him.
2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the
sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Kung ang resurrection ang siyang sabbath, bakit ang sabi diyan sa Mark 16:1 ay
"when the sabbath was past ".

Bakit po nabanggit ang word na sabbath na nakaraan na, so ibig sabihin ay hindi
po sunday ang sabbath, ang sabbath ay dumaan na "either friday or
saturday".
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That is the Jewish Sabbath.
Mark
{16:1} Et cum transisset Sabbatum, Maria Magdalene, et Maria Iacobi, et Salome emerunt aromata ut venientes ungerent Iesum.
{16:1} And when the [Jewish] Sabbath had passed, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought aromatic spices, so that when they arrived they could anoint Jesus.

{16:2} Et valde mane una Sabbatorum, veniunt ad monumentum, orto iam sole.
{16:2} And very early in the morning, on the first of the [Christian] Sabbaths, they went to the tomb, the sun having now risen.

Both Matthew and Mark make a point of calling this Sunday, the first Sabbath, not the first day of the week. This was the first Sabbath of the Christian Faith. All prior Sabbaths, including the previous day, a Saturday, were the Jewish Sabbaths.

Matthew
{28:1} Vespere autem Sabbati, quæ lucescit in prima Sabbati, venit Maria Magdalene, et altera Maria videre sepulchrum.
{28:1} Now on the morning of the Sabbath, when it began to grow light on the first Sabbath, Mar Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher.

Notice that Matthew, after the Crucifixion, begins to count Sunday, the day of the Resurrection, as the Sabbath. Whereas, elsewhere in his Gospel, he counts Saturday as the Sabbath. He also states that this day is the first (Christian) Sabbath.

Luke
{24:1} Una autem Sabbati valde diluculo venerunt ad monumentum, portantes quæ paraverant, aromata:
{24:1} Then, on the first Sabbath, at very first light, they went to the tomb, carrying the aromatic spices that they had prepared.

John
{20:1} Una autem Sabbati, Maria Magdalene venit mane, cum adhuc tenebræ essent, ad monumentum: et vidit lapidem sublatum a monumento.
{20:1} Then on the first Sabbath, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and she saw that the stone had been rolled away from the tomb.

As with the other Gospels, John points out that this Sunday was the first Christian Sabbath. The phrase ‘una sabbati’ does not mean the first day of the week, but the first Sabbath.


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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:01 am

In fact there are two first Sabbaths in Jewish Faith : the first Sabbath during Passover, and the first Sabbath in the count of the seven weeks.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Yidda on Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:03 am

Luke 6
{6:1} And it came to pass on the second first sabbath that, as he went through the corn fields, his disciples plucked the ears and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
{6:2} And some of the Pharisees said to them: Why do you that which is not lawful on the sabbath days?

This passage from Luke relates to a passage from Leviticus:

{23:14} Bread, and parched grain, and boiled grain, you shall not eat from the grain field, until the day when you shall offer from it to your God. It is an everlasting precept in your generations and in all of your dwelling places.
{23:15} Therefore, you shall number from the day after the Sabbath, in which you offered one of the sheaves of the first-fruits, seven full weeks,

So, during the Passover, which is seven days, the Israelites had to offer the first fruits of the grain fields on the day after the Sabbath during Passover. The count of the seven weeks for the Feast of Weeks begins after the first Sabbath of Passover (so that Sabbath would be zero in our way of counting). Then, at the end of each of seven weeks are seven Sabbaths, from the first through to the seventh. So there are two first Sabbaths: the first Sabbath during Passover, and the first Sabbath in the count of the seven weeks.

If the disciples of Jesus had been eating from the grain fields on the first Sabbath of Passover, they would have been violating the Law, because the first fruits would not have been offered yet. But they were eating from the fields on the second first Sabbath, that is, on the first Sabbath after Passover, after the first fruits had been offered. So they were not breaking the Law.

Christians are not bound by the external requirements of the Jewish Law, such as circumcision, avoiding certain foods, keeping a Saturday Sabbath or the Jewish holy days.
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Comb@tron on Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:06 pm

ramcam2 wrote:

What day do you celebrate public worship/rest and why?

sunday po, monday to friday ang pasok ko then sched ng church gathering ay sunday. yun po

Hanggang ngayon wala paring sumasagot sa tanong ko.

PAra sa mga CAtholic frends ko
Paano kung pasok ko Sunday to Friday, matuturing ko bang SATURDAY ANG SABBATH DAY KO?
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by element_115x on Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:16 pm

Comb@tron wrote:

sunday po, monday to friday ang pasok ko then sched ng church gathering ay sunday. yun po

Hanggang ngayon wala paring sumasagot sa tanong ko.

PAra sa mga CAtholic frends ko
Paano kung pasok ko Sunday to Friday, matuturing ko bang SATURDAY ANG SABBATH DAY KO?

Parang ang hirap pag sa trabaho ng isang tao sumesentro ang spiritual life at obligations nya noh? hehe.

Nakisingit lang. Peace! Smile
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by ramcam2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:21 pm

Comb@tron wrote:

sunday po, monday to friday ang pasok ko then sched ng church gathering ay sunday. yun po

Hanggang ngayon wala paring sumasagot sa tanong ko.

PAra sa mga CAtholic frends ko
Paano kung pasok ko Sunday to Friday, matuturing ko bang SATURDAY ANG SABBATH DAY KO?

the old testament said worship and rest should be on a saturday just like what the jews are doing.
can you give us the reason/s why you do it on a sunday?
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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by Ateo on Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:48 pm

Comb@tron wrote:

sunday po, monday to friday ang pasok ko then sched ng church gathering ay sunday. yun po

Hanggang ngayon wala paring sumasagot sa tanong ko.

PAra sa mga CAtholic frends ko
Paano kung pasok ko Sunday to Friday, matuturing ko bang SATURDAY ANG SABBATH DAY KO?

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Re: Christian Sabbath

Post by miss_terry on Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:17 am

sabbath day means resting day
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