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Post by miss_terry on Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:27 pm

Like embalming, cremating, etc.

So is this acceptable form body management after death?
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Post by gin on Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:49 am

miss_terry wrote:Like embalming, cremating, etc.

So is this acceptable form body management after death?

Scientifically, yes. And also to save some space. Crowded na earth, eh
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Post by miss_terry on Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:34 pm

Pero pinakasikat talaga yung mummification na ginagawa ng mga paganong Egyptian Smile
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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:56 pm

Sa Islam hindi magastos ang paglilibing.

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Post by Esther on Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:18 pm

Kuya Harby,

merong story yung friend ko about OFW(woman) na nakapag asawa sa Lebanon ng Muslim guy, To make the story short... namatay yung OFW sa Lebanon, ni-request ng family niya iuwi yung labi dito sa Pinas para makita nila, pero hindi raw pwede sa batas ng Islam. correct it, if that is not the case. "Ang sad part pa nun' hindi rin maka travel ang mga " relatives ng OFW dahil sa travel ban.

Could you shed light on us "kung ano dapat ang gagawin" just in case my ganitong insidente yung iba po nating mga OFW?

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Post by Ateo on Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:00 pm

Interesting and relevant question, Esther. Islamic practice requires that the dead must be buried before sundown. The practice could be due to absence of preservation techniques during the time of Mohammad, although it has since become part of the Muslim practice.

What is the impact of this to our brother Muslim Pinoys in Saudi? If something happens to one of them, pwede pa bang i-uwi?

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Post by harballah on Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:16 am

Esther wrote:Kuya Harby,

merong story yung friend ko about OFW(woman) na nakapag asawa sa Lebanon ng Muslim guy, To make the story short... namatay yung OFW sa Lebanon, ni-request ng family niya iuwi yung labi dito sa Pinas para makita nila, pero hindi raw pwede sa batas ng Islam. correct it, if that is not the case. "Ang sad part pa nun' hindi rin maka travel ang mga " relatives ng OFW dahil sa travel ban.

Could you shed light on us "kung ano dapat ang gagawin" just in case my ganitong insidente yung iba po nating mga OFW?

thanks.

Tama ka esther ang isang Muslim na namatay sa ibang bansa ay hindi na puwedeng i-uwi ang bangkay sapagkat kinakailangan na itong ilibing bago matapos ang 24 hours. Ang hindi lang kaagad naililibing ay ang mga namatay sa isang krimen sapagkat sa panahon ngayon ay mayroon ng teknolohiya na malaman kung ano ang ikinamatay ng tao o mayroon mga evidence na kailangan malaman, kaya nga minsan ang bangkay ay na-preserved sa isang morgue.

Actually minsan naka-depende parin sa gobyerno kung hihilingin na mai-uwi ang bangkay at sasang-ayon ang gobyerno kung saan siya nandoon.

Mayroon po akong mga kaibigan (tatlo sila) na namatay dito sa Saudi Arabia at dito na rin sila inilibing dahil Muslim po sila.

I hope na nasagot ko ang katanungan mo at kung may tanong parin kayo ay nandito lang po ako upang sagutin ang mga ito.


Ateo wrote:Interesting and relevant question, Esther. Islamic practice requires that the dead must be buried before sundown. The practice could be due to absence of preservation techniques during the time of Mohammad, although it has since become part of the Muslim practice.

Ateo, It's a sunnah to buried the dead person before sunset or not excess than 24 hours.


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What is the impact of this to our brother Muslim Pinoys in Saudi? If something happens to one of them, pwede pa bang i-uwi?

Naikuwento ko na pala diyan kay Esther iyong tungkol sa mga kaibigan ko na namatay na dito sa Saudi Arabia, dito na po sila inilibing.

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Post by Esther on Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:19 am

thanks Harballah.

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Post by harballah on Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:12 pm

Esther wrote:thanks Harballah.

You are welcome sister, kung may katanungan po kayo ay nandito lang po ako.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by Ateo on Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:15 am

Lahat naman na tao ay papanaw rin. Kung halimbawang mangyari sa iyo yan, kapatid na Harby, saan mo gustong hihimlay? Sa disyerto ng Saudi o sa lupang sinilangan sa Maguindanao?

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Post by harballah on Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:02 am

Ateo wrote:Lahat naman na tao ay papanaw rin. Kung halimbawang mangyari sa iyo yan, kapatid na Harby, saan mo gustong hihimlay? Sa disyerto ng Saudi o sa lupang sinilangan sa Maguindanao?

Tama ka Ateo lahat tayo ay mamamatay sapagkat alam natin na walang sinumang tao ang mapigil niya ang takdang oras, sa tanong mo kung saan ko gustong humimlay, simple lang kaibigan ateo.............kung saan ako datnan ng pagbawi ng Allah sa buhay ko ay doon ako dapat ilibing.

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Post by miss_terry on Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:59 pm

Servius, commenting on Virgil's Æneid, observes that "the wise Egyptians took care to embalm their bodies, and deposit them in catacombs, in order that the soul might be preserved for a long time in connection with the body, and might not soon be alienated; while the Romans, with an opposite design,
committed the remains of their dead to the funeral pile, intending that the vital spark might immediately be restored to the general element, or return to its pristine nature." (From Prichard's An Analysis of the
Egyptian Mythology.)

So literally did the early Christians interpret their Scriptures that they preserved the bodies of their dead by pickling them in salt water, so that on the day of resurrection the spirit of the dead might reenter a complete and perfectly preserved body. Believing that the incisions necessary to the embalming process and the removal of the internal organs would prevent the return of the spirit to its body, the Christians buried their dead without resorting to the more elaborate mummification methods employed by the Egyptian morticians.

- The Secret Teachings of All Ages. Manly Hall. 1928
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Post by sakundes on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:27 pm

well as for meh id wanna die like a viking. be carried off to valhalla by a valkyrie, and have a boozefest on my wake and then be set aflame on my ship laden with gold and jewels and finally be casted out to the sea and return back as a stardust ^_^
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Post by gin on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:29 pm

sakundes wrote:well as for meh id wanna die like a viking. be carried off to valhalla by a valkyrie, and have a boozefest on my wake and then be set aflame on my ship laden with gold and jewels and finally be casted out to the sea and return back as a stardust ^_^

Kuya Sakundes, sino naman po ang mag-i-isponsor niyan? Parang ang mahal, huh...
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Post by Ateo on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:39 pm

sakundes wrote:well as for meh id wanna die like a viking. be carried off to valhalla by a valkyrie, and have a boozefest on my wake and then be set aflame on my ship laden with gold and jewels and finally be casted out to the sea and return back as a stardust ^_^

Cool! But I think the thinkers, movers and shakers of the atheist world should come up with appropriate and cool ceremonies and rituals of saying goodbye. The religious rites are pretty established and quite okay, but I don't want to go through that. Mine should be less ritualistic, less sad, more fun and more celebratory. It should be a celebration of life rather than an observance of death.

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Post by Ateo on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:47 pm

miss_terry wrote:...
So literally did the early Christians interpret their Scriptures that they preserved the bodies of their dead by pickling them in salt water, so that on the day of resurrection the spirit of the dead might reenter a complete and perfectly preserved body. Believing that the incisions necessary to the embalming process and the removal of the internal organs would prevent the return of the spirit to its body, the Christians buried their dead without resorting to the more elaborate mummification methods employed by the Egyptian morticians.

- The Secret Teachings of All Ages. Manly Hall. 1928


Forgive me Miss Terry for commenting on this, but this is really what p*sses me off with religions. As you described, early Christians pickled their dead in salt and were afraid to incise the body because they wanted to preserve the spirit within the body in anticipation of the coming of Christ. Today, we don't mind incising the body in our current practice of embalming. So the difference shows that there is no guidance from any all-knowing Being, we are just following what we think is correct. The ancients think one way and we think another way, God is nowhere to give guidance on what is the correct way. The ancients were so sure about their beliefs about burial, but now we simply ignore those beliefs as wrong. Clearly, there is no consistent guidance. Things like this make me believe that there is really no omniscient God and that we are all just guessing and concocting everything as we go along.

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Post by gin on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:54 pm

Sa panahon nila Abraham, hindi naman yata ganyan 'yong way ng paglilibing nila...
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Post by sakundes on Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:58 pm

just where is god when you nee it the most? almost always (or just ALWAYS) nowhere lols @_@
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:03 am

Kuya Sakundes, sino naman po ang mag-i-isponsor niyan? Parang ang mahal, huh...

my life insurance should do the trick.. or if all else fails then ambag ambag muna tayey lols @_@

Cool! But I think the thinkers, movers and shakers of the atheist world should come up with appropriate and cool ceremonies and rituals of saying goodbye. The religious rites are pretty established and quite okay, but I don't want to go through that. Mine should be less ritualistic, less sad, more fun and more celebratory. It should be a celebration of life rather than an observance of death.

exactly the reason why i think that a viking's death is the most badass of all j3j3j3 ^_^

a christian death is kinda boring for me and it's messy and chockfulla hypocrisy @_@
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Post by element_115x on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:10 pm

"God is just a concept by which we measure our pain..." John Lennon Razz
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Post by miss_terry on Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:56 am

element_115x wrote:"God is just a concept by which we measure our pain..." John Lennon Razz


lol, kaya naman sinabi nilang mas sikat sila kay Jesus
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Post by element_115x on Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:14 pm

miss_terry wrote:


lol, kaya naman sinabi nilang mas sikat sila kay Jesus

Pana-panahon lang yan... dati nga mas sikat sila Zoroaster, Mithras at Zeus eh. hehe
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Post by Ateo on Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:18 pm

element_115x wrote:

Pana-panahon lang yan... dati nga mas sikat sila Zoroaster, Mithras at Zeus eh. hehe


At syempre, demographic trend shows that soon Allah will be more popular than Jesus. Thirty years from now, Jesus, or more correctly called as Isa, will be nothing but a minor prophet. Smile

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Post by element_115x on Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:27 pm

Ayun, next na pala si Allah... Kaya magpatubo na tayo ng balbas ms. terry. Smile
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Post by gin on Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:38 am

Ba't kaya laging nili-link si Jesus kay God... confused
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