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Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:58 am

Divorce bill revived in House


By: Paolo Romero

MANILA, Philippines - The Gabriela women’s party-list group has revived a
measure legalizing divorce in the country to give couples in
“irreparable marriages” another legal remedy in addition to the
country’s existing laws on legal separation and annulment.

Representatives Luzviminda Ilagan and Emerenciana de Jesus filed
House Bill 1799 or “An Act Introducing Divorce in the Philippines” that
drew strong opposition and little support from their colleagues in the
House of Representatives.

The bill states five grounds for the filing of a petition for
divorce. According to the measure, couples who may apply for divorce
include those who have been separated in fact for five years and those
already legally separated for two years...
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Do you agree to legalize divorce in the Philippines or not? Why?

And just wondering...
Kung malaki ang posibilidad na ma-legalize ang diborsyo sa Pinas, why don't they try to abolish this ritual called 'marriage' first?
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by Ateo on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:09 am

I agree, of course. The Philippines is the only country in the world with no divorce. Rome and Mecca have divorce laws. That does not make Manila particularly more godly or better. "Let us join the 21st century," Walden Belo said in the article.

Those who do not want divorce, like Gin, should not get it. They won't be forced to. But the article said that 72% of all violence against women in the Philippines is caused by domestic abuse (partner abuse). Let us give the women the legal right to protect themselves and start anew. It is no wonder that Gabriela, the women's party list, is the leading proponent of this bill.

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:21 am

Ateo wrote:I agree, of course. The Philippines is the only country in the world with no divorce. Rome and Mecca have divorce laws. That does not make Manila particularly more godly or better. "Let us join the 21st century," Walden Belo said in the article.

Those who do not want divorce, like Gin, should not get it. They won't be forced to. But the article said that 72% of all violence against women in the Philippines is caused by domestic abuse (partner abuse). Let us give the women the legal right to protect themselves and start anew. It is no wonder that Gabriela, the women's party list, is the leading proponent of this bill.

So I guess... it would be pretty much better to not to get married at all, right?
What's the use of marriage in the first place?
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by Ateo on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:26 am

Marriage is an entirely different matter, Gin. It is a legal contract that provides a lot of legal, economic and social privileges to both partners. And marriage works for some people (50% of all married couples in the US stay married). So, keep marriage as an institution, okay?

But the divorce is an option to get out of a marriage in a legal way. It is useful when the marriage does not work. It is an OPTION. Just because marriage does not always work does not mean that you should not do it. It is just like high school love affair. Just because more than 99% of high school love affairs ay di naman nagkatuluyan, it does not mean ay i-abolish na natin ang high school love.

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:39 am

Ateo wrote:Marriage is an entirely different matter, Gin. It is a legal contract that provides a lot of legal, economic and social privileges to both partners. And marriage works for some people (50% of all married couples in the US stay married). So, keep marriage as an institution, okay?

Institution, eh?
So marriage provides 'a lot' of legal, economic, and social privileges to a married couple. And once they have decided to get a divorce, what will happen? Are all those 'privileges' vanishes as well?

Ateo wrote:But the divorce is an option to get out of a marriage in a legal way. It is useful when the marriage does not work. It is an OPTION. Just because marriage does not always work does not mean that you should not do it. It is just like high school love affair. Just because more than 99% of high school love affairs ay di naman nagkatuluyan, it does not mean ay i-abolish na natin ang high school love.

So a married life is a one 'trial-and-error' stuff.. /pif
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by Ateo on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:42 am

Gin, why are you so bothered with the impermanence of marriage. I suggest you get married and stay married forever, and ignore what other people do with their lives. That is called "tolerance" and "acceptance".

It does not have to be a trial and error in your part. Make it permanent. But don't let your beliefs affect how other people want to run their lives.

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:51 am

Gin, why are you so bothered with the impermanence of marriage. I suggest you get married and stay married forever, and ignore what other people do with their lives. That is called "tolerance" and "acceptance".

It does not have to be a trial and error in your part. Make it permanent. But don't let your beliefs affect how other people want to run their lives.

well because gin's most beloved belongs to the INC and that she must convert to said religion or else face social banishment and/or be ostracized by the foolish mob

only us atheists can accept such plight.

stay strong gin.. or better yet. stick with women. it makes you a mot more BADDASS! j3j3j3 @_@

as for meh.. I still, and always will... believe in CHOICE ^_^
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:53 am

It is love that brings people together right? why does religion does the complete opposite?
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:59 am

Ateo wrote:Gin, why are you so bothered with the impermanence of marriage. I suggest you get married and stay married forever, and ignore what other people do with their lives. That is called "tolerance" and "acceptance".

It does not have to be a trial and error in your part. Make it permanent. But don't let your beliefs affect how other people want to run their lives.

I'm just after the absurdity of this divorce proposition. Why just not abolish the 'marriage thing' in the Philippines? Para wala nang gastos ang mga balak mag-asawa at maghiwalay diyan
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:08 am

sakundes wrote:

well because gin's most beloved belongs to the INC and that she must convert to said religion or else face social banishment and/or be ostracized by the foolish mob

only us atheists can accept such plight.

stay strong gin.. or better yet. stick with women. it makes you a mot more BADDASS! j3j3j3 @_@

as for meh.. I still, and always will... believe in CHOICE ^_^

LOL, Kuya Sakundes

For an update, this beloved INC member of mine is no longer to be found in my wretched system. We've separated completely (hopefully?) LOL..

Yeah. That's it. Siguro, what I feel for him is nothing but a 'fake' love.
A fake love for someone who doesn't even believe in marriage! That ended it!
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:26 am

LOL, Kuya Sakundes

For an update, this beloved INC member of mine is no longer to be found in my wretched system. We've separated completely (hopefully?) LOL..

Yeah. That's it. Siguro, what I feel for him is nothing but a 'fake' love.
A fake love for someone who doesn't even believe in marriage! That ended it!

well since you two are already done for then i can give you a better advice.. stay a hundred miles away from INCs.. their religion/cult is really outta this world and i've had some serious beef with them and how they run the system.

lemme tell you a secret here.. back with the previous election they supported NOYNOY and in exchange NOY gave them some serious clout over the system. AFAIK nllagay ni noy sa maraming presinto (pulisya) at mga matataas na opisina ng gobyerno ang mga INC na yan kapalit ng pagtulong nila sa block voting. dont ask me how i got the info coz i wont tell you. god may forgive people for their transgressions but i will never forgive the INC.. this time it aint philosophical or thelogical.. it's my personal battle with them fools. any INC who has the gall to preach on me will face my demons.. thunder and lightning shall descend upon thy foes! @_@
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by MarcCatholic on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:39 am

Naalala ko ang debate ni Ateo at Junny dito. Very Happy
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:52 am

sakundes wrote:

well since you two are already done for then i can give you a better advice.. stay a hundred miles away from INCs.. their religion/cult is really outta this world and i've had some serious beef with them and how they run the system.

lemme tell you a secret here.. back with the previous election they supported NOYNOY and in exchange NOY gave them some serious clout over the system. AFAIK nllagay ni noy sa maraming presinto (pulisya) at mga matataas na opisina ng gobyerno ang mga INC na yan kapalit ng pagtulong nila sa block voting. dont ask me how i got the info coz i wont tell you. god may forgive people for their transgressions but i will never forgive the INC.. this time it aint philosophical or thelogical.. it's my personal battle with them fools. any INC who has the gall to preach on me will face my demons.. thunder and lightning shall descend upon thy foes! @_@

Gee... I didn't know that... (of course!).
And I really like your battle-cry cum threat!
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:55 am

MarcCatholic wrote:Naalala ko ang debate ni Ateo at Junny dito. Very Happy

Yeah. The debate that ended up with full of mockery and resentment!
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:07 am

@gin

mahilig kabbuh magbasa ng MANGA? recommend ko yung BERSERK series.. very dark and anti-christian yung theme nya. im sure you're gonna enjoy it.

http://read.mangashare.com/Berserk or
http://www.thespectrum.net/manga_scans/berserk/

The Greatest Manga i have ever read. way better than naruto or one piece ^_^
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:13 am

sakundes wrote:@gin

mahilig kabbuh magbasa ng MANGA? recommend ko yung BERSERK series.. very dark and anti-christian yung theme nya. im sure you're gonna enjoy it.

http://read.mangashare.com/Berserk or
http://www.thespectrum.net/manga_scans/berserk/

The Greatest Manga i have ever read. way better than naruto or one piece ^_^

Yep.
Sige po, try ko 'yan. Nainip na kasi ko sa kakahintay ng next chapter ng PoT, eh.
Wala naman po siguro ditong 'censored' na mababasa, ano po?
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Post by sakundes on Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:37 am

censored? wula naman. basta medyu blood and gore talaga yan with many references to religion and shiat.. plus the protagonist is antireligion/antigod as myself so i can relate lols ^_^

maganda download mu lahat ng chapters para pede mu sya balikan in the future. lemme recommend a few manga here as well.. manga para sa mga matatalino lols @_@

BERSERK - bestest manga ever
GANTZ - second bestest manga lols
MONSTER - thriller manga (di ko pa tapos, dami pa pending weh lols)

dun pa lang sa berserk at gantz solb ka na j3j3j3 ^_^
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Re: Divorce in the Philippines

Post by harballah on Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:01 am

MarcCatholic wrote:Naalala ko ang debate ni Ateo at Junny dito.


gin wrote:
Yeah. The debate that ended up with full of mockery and resentment!


Naku huwag na ninyong ipaala-ala kasi first time kung ihalintulad sa isang aso kung saan galing pa naman sa isang nagpapakilalang Pastor


@Agreed ako sa diborsiyo lalo na't maraming kababaihan ang nakakaranas ng pagmamalupit ng kanilang asawa (basi din sa datos ng Gabriela).

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Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:56 am

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@Agreed ako sa diborsiyo lalo na't maraming kababaihan ang nakakaranas ng pagmamalupit ng kanilang asawa (basi din sa datos ng Gabriela).

Hindi ho kaya gawing laro-laro na lang ang pagpapakasal, Kuya Harbs?
Tingnan n'yo sa ibang bansa, lalo na ang mga celebrities, maya't maya nagpapakasal. Maya't maya rin, nagdi-divorce.

And again, mas mainam na i-abolish na lang ang kasal at mag-live in na lang! Who needs a divorce?
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gin wrote:

Hindi ho kaya gawing laro-laro na lang ang pagpapakasal, Kuya Harbs?
Tingnan n'yo sa ibang bansa, lalo na ang mga celebrities, maya't maya nagpapakasal. Maya't maya rin, nagdi-divorce.

And again, mas mainam na i-abolish na lang ang kasal at mag-live in na lang! Who needs a divorce?


Ikaw naman Gin, siyempre may pamantayan din naman ang pagbibigay ng diborsiyo, hindi puwedeng bigyan ng diborsiyo kung wala naman matibay na dahilan ang mag-asawa.

Pero nagulat ako diyan sa sinabi mo sa pula, akala ko ba ang stand mo doon sa thread ko about LIVE-IN ay anti ka pero bakit ngayon lumalabas na pro kana ngayon ng LIVE-IN


What about na mangyari sa inyo ang sitwasyon na ito, hindi kaya dapat bigyan ng karapatan ang babae na idiborsiyo ang kanyang asawa.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=442308

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Post by gin on Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:00 am

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Ikaw naman Gin, siyempre may pamantayan din naman ang pagbibigay ng diborsiyo, hindi puwedeng bigyan ng diborsiyo kung wala naman matibay na dahilan ang mag-asawa.

Pero nagulat ako diyan sa sinabi mo sa pula, akala ko ba ang stand mo doon sa thread ko about LIVE-IN ay anti ka pero bakit ngayon lumalabas na pro kana ngayon ng LIVE-IN


What about na mangyari sa inyo ang sitwasyon na ito, hindi kaya dapat bigyan ng karapatan ang babae na idiborsiyo ang kanyang asawa.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=442308

My answer still stands: No to LIVE-IN pa rin po ako
Gusto ko lang pong i-emphasize ang magiging katipiran kung wala na ring marriage tutal, may nagpo-propose naman ng divorce, eh.

Bueno, ia-analyze ko po muna ang advantage ng divorce na iyan. Nabasa ko nga po 'yong artice, kawawa si misis
Siguro kailangan ko lang lawakan nang kaunti ang aking pag-unawa...

Hindi kaya tuluyan na 'kong maging atheist nito?
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Post by harballah on Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:21 am

gin wrote:
My answer still stands: No to LIVE-IN pa rin po ako
Gusto ko lang pong i-emphasize ang magiging katipiran kung wala na ring marriage tutal, may nagpo-propose naman ng divorce, eh.

Nagulat kasi ako ng sabihin mo sa akin na
mas mainam na i-abolish na lang ang kasal at mag-live in na lang


Atsaka hindi rin pupuwede iyong sinasabi mong walang marriage kasi mauuwi talaga iyan sa adultery kung tutuusin.


gin wrote:Bueno, ia-analyze ko po muna ang advantage ng divorce na iyan. Nabasa ko nga po 'yong artice, kawawa si misis
Siguro kailangan ko lang lawakan nang kaunti ang aking pag-unawa...

Sige pag-aralan mong mabuti upang sa ganoon ay makikita mo ang sitwasyon ng kababaihan na nakatali sa kaniyang asawa gayong wala na silang pagmamahalan sa isa't isa.

Kung relihiyoso ang babae kasi ay hindi niya magawang makipagrelasyon kung kasal parin siya sa kanyang asawa, papaano na ang kaligayahan niya lalo na kung bata pa siya at siyempre magmamahal parin siya ulit.

gin wrote:Hindi kaya tuluyan na 'kong maging atheist nito?

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Post by vril on Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:19 am

Ateo wrote:I agree, of course. The Philippines is the only country in the world with no divorce. Rome and Mecca have divorce laws. That does not make Manila particularly more godly or better. "Let us join the 21st century," Walden Belo said in the article.

Those who do not want divorce, like Gin, should not get it. They won't be forced to. But the article said that 72% of all violence against women in the Philippines is caused by domestic abuse (partner abuse). Let us give the women the legal right to protect themselves and start anew. It is no wonder that Gabriela, the women's party list, is the leading proponent of this bill.

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Post by vril on Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:23 am

gin wrote:

So I guess... it would be pretty much better to not to get married at all, right?
What's the use of marriage in the first place?

I would say think a thousand times if you really want to spend the rest of your life with one person.

Marriage is a church or religious term. We call it Civil Union. Civil union is there to protect both parties legally if problems arise during the relationship which includes property inheritance, child support, property conjugation, etc.

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