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Post by adanedhel on Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:22 am

Q - Anybody of you bros heard or seen the Coptic priest Fr. Zakaria Botros?
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Post by harballah on Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:50 am

adanedhel wrote:Q - Anybody of you bros heard or seen the Coptic priest Fr. Zakaria Botros?

Yes! nalaman ko iyan noong talakayin sa OLD BARM, bakit mo naitanong brad....

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Re: Isang Tanong Isang Sagot (ITIS)...

Post by vril on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:20 pm

Hi Harballah/Jewel,

I read a few articles about a "Qu'ran ONLY muslims or Qu'ranists. These people only rely on Qu'ran as the only sacred text of Islam. They reject all Hadiths and Sunnas.

Are they considered denominations of mainstream Islam? Most of these people are Muslim scholars. Any idea why they reject the hadiths and sunnas?

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Post by Jewel on Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:32 pm

vril wrote:Hi Harballah/Jewel,

I read a few articles about a "Qu'ran ONLY muslims or Qu'ranists. These people only rely on Qu'ran as the only sacred text of Islam. They reject all Hadiths and Sunnas.

Are they considered denominations of mainstream Islam? Most of these people are Muslim scholars. Any idea why they reject the hadiths and sunnas?

TIA

Hello vril.

I dont know of anyone from those guys a single scholar. They are called "qur'aniyoon" and their group is a cult. They dont wanna follow the sunnah because they dont want to give up their unislamic tribal practices.

They claim that they follow the Quran bt actually they are not because the Quran says so;






Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love
Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful. (3:31)








Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed
Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them.
(4:80)





And whatsoever the messenger giveth you,
take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to
Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. (59:7)






So those quraniyoon are very ignorant fools






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Post by harballah on Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:02 pm

vril wrote:Hi Harballah/Jewel,

I read a few articles about a "Qu'ran ONLY muslims or Qu'ranists. These people only rely on Qu'ran as the only sacred text of Islam. They reject all Hadiths and Sunnas.

Are they considered denominations of mainstream Islam? Most of these people are Muslim scholars. Any idea why they reject the hadiths and sunnas?

TIA

Ang tinutukoy mo na iyan ay matatawag na isang kulto, hindi puwedeng sabihin na Muslim ang isang tao kung hindi maniniwala sa Quran, Hadith at Sunnah ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).

Ang sabi ng propheta sa kanyang huling sermon.



O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.


Ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) ay ang halimbawang sinusunod ng mga Muslim dahil ang sabi ng Allah sa banal na Quran.


33:21. Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.


At siya rin ang nag-interpretet sa Quran kung kaya nga mayroon hadith na sinaksihan ng mga sahabat (companions) niya. Ang sabi ng Allah.

16:44. (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

Kaya ang sabi ng Allah sa propheta patungkol sa kanya.

2:186. When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.



Siguro naman ay malinaw na hindi katanggap-tanggap ang mga nagsasabing Quran lang ang batayan nila ng pananampalataya, kasi kung wala ang Sunnah ng propheta ay papaano nila magagawa ang sinasabi ng Allah sa Quran.



So, kung sa tingin nila ay tama ang kanilang paniniwala ay mayroon silang freewill sapagkat ang Allah ang huhusga sa kanila sa araw ng paghuhukom.

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Post by adanedhel on Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:54 am

harballah wrote:

Yes! nalaman ko iyan noong talakayin sa OLD BARM, bakit mo naitanong brad....

Ano masasabi mo brad sa 10 demands ni Fr. Botros sa Islam?
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Post by harballah on Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:23 am

adanedhel wrote:

Ano masasabi mo brad sa 10 demands ni Fr. Botros sa Islam?

Brad puwede kung mayroon kang isyu about father boutros ay gawa na lang po tayo ng thread kasi itong thread ay ginawa ko para lang sa usapin Islam, ang ibig kung sabihin ay doktorina at aral sa Islam.

Puwedeng magtanong at amin din sasagutin, pinagbigyan ko lang kayo na sagutin iyong tanong ninyo pero kung gusto mong pag-usapan gawa tayo ng thread.

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Post by vril on Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:07 am

harballah wrote:

Ang tinutukoy mo na iyan ay matatawag na isang kulto, hindi puwedeng sabihin na Muslim ang isang tao kung hindi maniniwala sa Quran, Hadith at Sunnah ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).

Ang sabi ng propheta sa kanyang huling sermon.

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Ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) ay ang halimbawang sinusunod ng mga Muslim dahil ang sabi ng Allah sa banal na Quran.


33:21. Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.


At siya rin ang nag-interpretet sa Quran kung kaya nga mayroon hadith na sinaksihan ng mga sahabat (companions) niya. Ang sabi ng Allah.

16:44. (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.

Kaya ang sabi ng Allah sa propheta patungkol sa kanya.

2:186. When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.



Siguro naman ay malinaw na hindi katanggap-tanggap ang mga nagsasabing Quran lang ang batayan nila ng pananampalataya, kasi kung wala ang Sunnah ng propheta ay papaano nila magagawa ang sinasabi ng Allah sa Quran.



So, kung sa tingin nila ay tama ang kanilang paniniwala ay mayroon silang freewill sapagkat ang Allah ang huhusga sa kanila sa araw ng paghuhukom.

Thanks harbs. Another question, when muslims pray, do you recite passages in Qu'ran? What language are you using to recite these prayers?

Are you allowed personal prayers?

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Post by harballah on Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:31 am

vril wrote:
Thanks harbs. Another question, when muslims pray, do you recite passages in Qu'ran? What language are you using to recite these prayers?

Walang anuman brad at salamat din at tinanggap mo ang sagot namin ni jewel.

Sa tanong mong iyan ay ilan sa nasa chapter ng Quran ang binibigkas, depende sa nasasaulo (memorize) mo tulad ng Chapter or ilang verses nito at arabic po ang ginagamit namin sa pagdarasal, hindi po english na makikita sa translation ng Quran.

Kung iyong mapapansin kung magmamasid kayo sa oras ng pagdarasal ng mga Muslim ay maririnig mo na arabic ang binibigkas ng Imam, tulad nito.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhKDm_Fw7s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6OfxeP8m6U&feature=related




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Are you allowed personal prayers?

TIA

Pakilinaw lang ang tanong mong iyan brad, ano pong personal prayers ang ibig mong sabihin.

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Post by harballah on Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:42 am

The link about the right way to prayer.

http://www.islamway.com/english/images/prayer/contents.htm

Maybe can help you, why Muslims recite passages in Quran in arabic.

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Post by vril on Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:28 pm

harballah wrote:

Walang anuman brad at salamat din at tinanggap mo ang sagot namin ni jewel.

Sa tanong mong iyan ay ilan sa nasa chapter ng Quran ang binibigkas, depende sa nasasaulo (memorize) mo tulad ng Chapter or ilang verses nito at arabic po ang ginagamit namin sa pagdarasal, hindi po english na makikita sa translation ng Quran.

Kung iyong mapapansin kung magmamasid kayo sa oras ng pagdarasal ng mga Muslim ay maririnig mo na arabic ang binibigkas ng Imam, tulad nito.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhKDm_Fw7s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6OfxeP8m6U&feature=related






Pakilinaw lang ang tanong mong iyan brad, ano pong personal prayers ang ibig mong sabihin.

Personal prayers like talking to your god in mind saying your personal intentions (silent personal requests).


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Post by vril on Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:37 pm

do you allow your own language be used in your prayers? Or is this something Allah will not be pleased?

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Post by harballah on Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:49 pm

vril wrote:

Personal prayers like talking to your god in mind saying your personal intentions (silent personal requests).


Thanks brad vril, ang sinasabi mo diyan ay ang SUPPLICATION/DUA.

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Post by harballah on Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:58 pm

vril wrote:do you allow your own language be used in your prayers? Or is this something Allah will not be pleased?

Sa pagdarasal kasi bro.vril ay kinakailangan na bigkasin sa arabic kaya dapat sa isang Muslim ay kinakailangan na matutong magbasa ng arabic o mag-memorya ng kahit maliit na verse sa Quran, in fact may maliit na chapter na madaling isaulo ng mga Muslim at maski bata po ay nasasaulo nila ito.

Tulad ng batang ito.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjXaFaKtqjE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcZSkmGiwpY&feature=related

What you think?

Ito ang dahilan brad kung bakit mayroon kaming tinatawag na Madrasah (Islamic School) to learn arabic language and know the word of Allah subhana wa taalah.

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Post by vril on Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:13 pm

Ahh so this is just to standardize the islamic prayers. It's not something Allah preferred, correct? I don;t think he would mind if you use your local language, right?

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Post by Jewel on Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:43 pm

vril wrote:Ahh so this is just to standardize the islamic prayers. It's not something Allah preferred, correct? I don;t think he would mind if you use your local language, right?

You didnt get it bro.

The prayer is fixed by the Prophet as Allah instructed him, so it is Allah who prepared/standardized it. We say, the standardized prayer is the least/minimum that you should do otherwise your prayer is invalid. Now, if you want to add more specific supplication to it for your specific personal needs, then you are allowed to do so provided that you do not violate any of the specifics of the standardized one.

BTW, what you can add is only personal supplications not the actions of the prayer.


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Post by harballah on Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:49 am

vril wrote:Ahh so this is just to standardize the islamic prayers. It's not something Allah preferred, correct? I don;t think he would mind if you use your local language, right?

Nasagot kana pala ni kapatid na jewel, tama po ang sinabi niya at gusto ko lang po idagdag sa inyo para lubos ninyong mauunawaan na magkaiba po ang Obligatory prayer at supplication/dua, iyong supplication or dua ay puwede mong gamitin ang wika mo kasi matatawag na iyan na personal supplication mo.

Jewel wrote:You didnt get it bro.

The prayer is fixed by the Prophet as Allah instructed him, so it is Allah who prepared/standardized it. We say, the standardized prayer is the least/minimum that you should do otherwise your prayer is invalid. Now, if you want to add more specific supplication to it for your specific personal needs, then you are allowed to do so provided that you do not violate any of the specifics of the standardized one.

BTW, what you can add is only personal supplications not the actions of the prayer.


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Post by vril on Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:41 am

Jewel wrote:

You didnt get it bro.

The prayer is fixed by the Prophet as Allah instructed him, so it is Allah who prepared/standardized it. We say, the standardized prayer is the least/minimum that you should do otherwise your prayer is invalid. Now, if you want to add more specific supplication to it for your specific personal needs, then you are allowed to do so provided that you do not violate any of the specifics of the standardized one.

BTW, what you can add is only personal supplications not the actions of the prayer.


Thanks

Funny that's what I said, whoever standardize it. Any reason why only in arabic aside from standardization? Because I personally believe prayers will be more felt by the devoutee using his own language.

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Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:00 am

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Funny that's what I said, whoever standardize it. Any reason why only in arabic aside from standardization? Because I personally believe prayers will be more felt by the devoutee using his own language.

brad, bakit mo naman nasabing funny dahil hindi ka naniniwala na iyan ang ipinag-utos ng Allah subhana wa taalah.

Kung bawat mananampalataya at gagamit ng sariling lenguwahe ay malilito kana kapag pumunta ka sa ibang bansa dahil gagamit sila ng lenguwahe nila, unlike sa arabic na pumunta ka man sa ibang bansa arabic din po ang ginagamit nila sa pagdarasal.

Ang sabi mo nga pala diyan "Because I personally believe prayers will be more felt by the devoutee using his own language" so opinyon mo lang iyan brad at nasasa-inyo na po kung sa tingin ninyo ay mas prefer na gamitin ang sariling lenguwahe.


12:2 We have sent it down as an arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.

16:103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is arabic, pure and clear.

26:192-195 Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish In the perspicuous arabic tongue.

41:3 A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in arabic, for people who understand;-

46:12 And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right.

Vril, siguro naman ay klaro po ang salita ng Allah sa mga talatang iyan.

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Post by vril on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:14 am

harballah wrote:

brad, bakit mo naman nasabing funny dahil hindi ka naniniwala na iyan ang ipinag-utos ng Allah subhana wa taalah.

Kung bawat mananampalataya at gagamit ng sariling lenguwahe ay malilito kana kapag pumunta ka sa ibang bansa dahil gagamit sila ng lenguwahe nila, unlike sa arabic na pumunta ka man sa ibang bansa arabic din po ang ginagamit nila sa pagdarasal.

Ang sabi mo nga pala diyan "Because I personally believe prayers will be more felt by the devoutee using his own language" so opinyon mo lang iyan brad at nasasa-inyo na po kung sa tingin ninyo ay mas prefer na gamitin ang sariling lenguwahe.


12:2 We have sent it down as an arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.

16:103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is arabic, pure and clear.

26:192-195 Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish In the perspicuous arabic tongue.

41:3 A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in arabic, for people who understand;-

46:12 And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right.

Vril, siguro naman ay klaro po ang salita ng Allah sa mga talatang iyan.

brad, i find it funny jewel said the same thing i said. Even in your own homeland, you use arabic? I don;t think this will create confusion. Of course when you pay your pilgrimage in Mecca, it'll be understandable that the prayer is is Arabic. but how about when you live somewhere else and wanted to pray? Do you use arabic?

sa above verse, wala namang sinabi na hindi pwedeng gamitin ang ibang language.

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Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:51 am

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brad, i find it funny jewel said the same thing i said. Even in your own homeland, you use arabic? I don;t think this will create confusion. Of course when you pay your pilgrimage in Mecca, it'll be understandable that the prayer is is Arabic. but how about when you live somewhere else and wanted to pray? Do you use arabic?

sa above verse, wala namang sinabi na hindi pwedeng gamitin ang ibang language.

Brad kahit saan ka pumuntang bansa ay arabic lang po ang ginagamit sa pagdarasal sapagkat ang Quran verse ang siyang ginagamit sa pagdarasal.

Sa amin sa Mindanao ay arabic din po ang ginagamit namin sa pagdarasal, bakit hindi mo subukan na pumunta sa Golden Mosque sa may Quiapo at itaon mo sa Magrib or Aisa upang marinig mo kung ano ang binabasa nila sa Salah/Prayer, ito ba ay ibang wika o arabic.

Doon sa verses na ipinakita ko ay patunay na ang Quran ay ipinahayag sa wikang arabic at ang sabi pa sa isang verse ay ganito "thou mayest admonish In the perspicuous arabic tongue. " at ito pa ang isa "whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in arabic, for people who understand " hindi paba malinaw sa inyo na iyong arabic ang ginagamit upang maunawaan ng tao.

Common sense lang po brad.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by Jewel on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:56 am

vril wrote:

Funny that's what I said, whoever standardize it. Any reason why only in arabic aside from standardization? Because I personally believe prayers will be more felt by the devoutee using his own language.

Who cares about your personal opinion BTW ??? Are we going to reject our jurisprudence just because someone who doesnt believe in God has some personal opinion?

You even have personal opinions about the existence of God right? should we follow your opinion about that as well??

I have to excuse you because I know that you are extremely ignorant about Islamic theology. I just want to advice you that dont bring silly stuff here because we are responding your questions in a formal manner based on correct Islamic doctrines and not based on our personal opinions.

If you feel you dont like our answers, then reject it, no problem. We are not here in this thread to debate or convince you; our purpose is to educate you about Islam.

If you have a better religion or way of life then present it here. Dont just oppose us for the sake of opposing. Bring something better so you dont act like an antagonist, okay?
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Post by vril on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:46 pm

Jewel wrote:

Who cares about your personal opinion BTW ??? Are we going to reject our jurisprudence just because someone who doesnt believe in God has some personal opinion?

You even have personal opinions about the existence of God right? should we follow your opinion about that as well??

I have to excuse you because I know that you are extremely ignorant about Islamic theology. I just want to advice you that dont bring silly stuff here because we are responding your questions in a formal manner based on correct Islamic doctrines and not based on our personal opinions.

If you feel you dont like our answers, then reject it, no problem. We are not here in this thread to debate or convince you; our purpose is to educate you about Islam.

If you have a better religion or way of life then present it here. Dont just oppose us for the sake of opposing. Bring something better so you dont act like an antagonist, okay?

It's an honest question. And you find it silly? That's weird. Unless you don't want to be questioned, you should delete the thread. I was curious why all your prayers are in arabic which is unique in most religions. But you and haraballah replied defensively. Maybe the problem lies with responding with islamic doctrines only and not being able to respond with your personal opinions?

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Re: Isang Tanong Isang Sagot (ITIS)...

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:25 pm

Vril tama si kapatid na jewel nagtatanong ka ng aral namin at sinasagot ka namin naayon sa nakatala sa Quran at hindi basi sa opinyon namin, pero ikaw naman itong gusto mong mangyari ay personal language namin ang dapat gamitin namin, talo mo pa yata ang mga Iskolar sa pagbibigay ng fatwa, sila nga hindi nagsasabing dapat ay gamitin sa wika namin ang pagdarasal.

Nasagot ko na at ni jewel ang usapin ito, kung may bago kang katanungan ay baka pagtiyagaan pa namin sagutin kung sakali.

Ang thread na ito ay nilapatan ko ng titulong ITIS (isang tanong, isang sagot) pero sa nangyayari ay nagiging debate thread.

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Re: Isang Tanong Isang Sagot (ITIS)...

Post by vril on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:09 am

harballah wrote:Vril tama si kapatid na jewel nagtatanong ka ng aral namin at sinasagot ka namin naayon sa nakatala sa Quran at hindi basi sa opinyon namin, pero ikaw naman itong gusto mong mangyari ay personal language namin ang dapat gamitin namin, talo mo pa yata ang mga Iskolar sa pagbibigay ng fatwa, sila nga hindi nagsasabing dapat ay gamitin sa wika namin ang pagdarasal.

Nasagot ko na at ni jewel ang usapin ito, kung may bago kang katanungan ay baka pagtiyagaan pa namin sagutin kung sakali.

Ang thread na ito ay nilapatan ko ng titulong ITIS (isang tanong, isang sagot) pero sa nangyayari ay nagiging debate thread.

I was asking 'WHY' not use your own language. I never implied that you use it.

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