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Post by RavlaM on Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:07 pm








Paralysis not considered as punishment
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 -- Updated 0241 GMT (1041 HKT)
STORY HIGHLIGHTS


* Saudi Arabia

(CNN) -- Saudi authorities backed away Monday from reports last week that a court was preparing to order a man paralyzed as punishment for paralyzing another man, allegedly in a fight.

The paralyzed man, identified by the Saudi newspaper Okaz as 22-year-old Abdul-Aziz al-Mitairy, requested the paralysis under sharia law, and, Okaz reported, the judge in the case had sent letters to several Saudi hospitals asking if they could sever a man's spinal cord.

But the Saudi Ministry of Justice denied that paralysis was ever considered as a punishment in the case, a high ranking Saudi government official told CNN.

The president of the court in the northwest province of Tabuk, where the incident took place, also disputed the reports.

"The proceedings in this case are still pending, and no verdict had been issued in that regards," Sheikh Saud Al-Yousef told Al-Riyadh newspaper.

Al-Yousef said the court had queried a number of hospitals and other authorities about surgical paralysis in order to convince the plaintiff about the impossibility of carrying out such a medical procedure.

"The plaintiff was demanding punishment of the attacker, and the judicial ruling in this case only includes the plaintiff's eligibility for blood money," he said.

Saudi news reports said last week that the Tabuk court debated how to carry out a paralysis sentence during proceedings in the case. News reports said that Riyadh's King Faisal Specialist Hospital, one of the country's top facilities, told the court it could not perform such a procedure.

But Amnesty International, which urged Saudi authorities not to carry out the punishment, said that at least one hospital said it would be possible to surgically paralyze the man.

Al-Mitairy told Okaz that the accused stabbed him in the back with a large knife during a fight more than two years ago.

"The accused confessed to the crime in front of police, resulting in a general sentence of seven months," he told the newspaper.

The alleged attacker, who has not been identified publicly, "was convicted and sentenced following a trial where he was said to have had no legal assistance," Amnesty said.

International human rights law would consider such a sentence to be a violation of the prohibition of torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment and to break the U.N. Convention Against Torture to which Saudi Arabia is a party, Amnesty said. It would also violate the principles of medical ethics adopted by the U.N. General Assembly, it said.

Other sentences of retribution in the kingdom have included eye-gouging, tooth extraction and death in cases involving murder, it said.

CNN's Mohammed Jamjoom, Amir Ahmed, Saad Abedine and Jen Deaton contributed to this story















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Re: Islam Reality

Post by bench on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:06 pm

ang haba ng post mo pero konti lang ang naintindihan. yung iba ibang language yata, para kang gumagawa ng program hehehe Smile

anyway, now lang ako naka-encounter ng ganyang balita....paralization as a penalty.

Meaning, it is an isolated case.

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Post by harballah on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:38 pm

Ayaw ko ng ikowt iyong post niya kasi nahihilo ako Shocked


Baka naman inaplay nila ang nasa verse na ito.

We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)


Maski sa bibliya nila ay nabanggit.


Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

Deuteuronomio 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.



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Re: Islam Reality

Post by harballah on Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:42 pm

Dagdag lang na sagot sa bagong inilatag ni RavlaM.

Tabuk High Court rejects paralysis punishment
By Nader Al-Enezi

TABUK – The High Court in Tabuk has rejected the demand of a plaintiff to hand down paralysis punishment to an attacker who left him paralyzed in a fight, sources told Okaz/Saudi Gazette.

Abdul Aziz Al-Mutairi, 22, wanted to have the spinal cord of the unidentified attacker damaged to leave him paralyzed.

Al-Mutairi also had one leg amputated as a result of the incident two-and-a-half years ago in which he was attacked with a cleaver.

The assailant was released after he spent seven months in prison.
“The verdict was issued rejecting the case filed by Abdul Aziz Al-Mutairi demanding like-for-like (Qisas) punishment of the perpetrator,” a source said of the matter, which has received international attention and pleas that the surgery not be performed.

“The court verdict was based on a medical report the court received from King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh saying it is impossible to conduct such an operation.”

The injured man was told by the High Court to accept the Shariah right, which is payment of blood money, but he objected. The case was referred to the Court of Appeals for final verdict and its reply is awaited, court sources said.

Saud Bin Sulaiman Al-Yusuf, president of Tabuk Region Courts, said the case has been delayed because of Al-Mutairi’s demand for paralysis punishment.

Al-Mutairi has said experts at King Khaled Hospital, which is located in Tabuk, told him that it is possible to perform the surgery.

King Khaled Hospital, however, said the operation can be done, but it would have to be performed at a specialist hospital.

Muhammad Al-Jad’an, a judge at the High Court, told Okaz/Saudi Gazette that officials wrote King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh to learn if it would be possible to operate on the assailant to sever his spinal cord and they said it could not be don.

The hospital said “inflicting such harm is not possible,” apparently refusing on ethical grounds. – Okaz/SG



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Post by RavlaM on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:04 pm

Huh, masaya ka pa na di natuloy ang lumpuhan What a Face

Malinaw din naman na sinaad ang ibang parusa na ginagawa ng Islam nation na KSA.

Other sentences of retribution in the kingdom have included eye-gouging, tooth extraction and death among others.

I believe that if this issue was not picked-up by international news malamang natuloy ang lumpihan. Mad
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Post by harballah on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:07 pm

RavlaM wrote:Huh, masaya ka pa na di natuloy ang lumpuhan What a Face

Malinaw din naman na sinaad ang ibang parusa na ginagawa ng Islam nation na KSA.

Other sentences of retribution in the kingdom have included eye-gouging, tooth extraction and death among others.

I believe that if this issue was not picked-up by international news malamang natuloy ang lumpihan. Mad

Tsong sino naman ang nagsabing masaya ako, ipinakita ko lang sa inyo ang balita sa Saudi Gazette kasi namumulot ka lang ng balita outside this country kung saan hindi pa nila alam ang tutuong nangyari ay nag-ula na sila.

In fact nasa bibliya mo pa nga iyan hindi ba, baka iyan ang sinunod noong judge sa paghatol Laughing


Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

Deuteuronomio 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


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Post by RavlaM on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:50 pm

Ngayon ang Diyos pa ng iba ang sisisihin mo sa inhumane practices ng Islam.

Hindi kasi kayo ng tuloy, tumigil kayo ng humirit ang pekeng angel jibreel na binulungan ng binulungan si Mohammad.

Ngayon ang lahat ng proseso ninyo ay brainwashing.To kill the goodness in its followers. Go and continuously chant those verses while you sit moving your bodu back and forth.
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Post by harballah on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:36 pm

RavlaM wrote:Ngayon ang Diyos pa ng iba ang sisisihin mo sa inhumane practices ng Islam.

Hindi kasi kayo ng tuloy, tumigil kayo ng humirit ang pekeng angel jibreel na binulungan ng binulungan si Mohammad.

Ngayon ang lahat ng proseso ninyo ay brainwashing.To kill the goodness in its followers. Go and continuously chant those verses while you sit moving your bodu back and forth.

Halika at samahan mo akong ikumpara kung alin ang makatwiran ang Diyos ng bibliya ninyo o ang Diyos sa Quran.


Ang sabi ng inyong bibliya.

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

Deuteuronomio 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


Makikita na kung ano ang ginawa sa iyo ay dapat ganoon din ang gawin sa inyo, makikita mo na walang option basta mata sa mata, ngayon tingnan mo ang nasa Quran.


We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)

Nakita mo iyong nasa bold and underline.

But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself

Makatwiran ang Allah sapagkat kung napatawad ka ng pamilya ng biktima ay ligtas ka sa kamatayan, sa inilatag ko bang utos ng Diyos mo mayroon bang ganyan?


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Post by RavlaM on Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:03 pm

I am just wondering, if the forgiveness you are talking about is equated with monetary payments.

Funny the authorities in KSA actually inquired in hospitals about severing of spinal nerves of the criminal. If the hospital agreed the first punishment by paralysis ma have happened.
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Post by harballah on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:15 am

brad wala ka bang komento muna dito kasi iyan isyu mo ay natalakay na natin at ngayon ay tinatalakay naman natin itong isyu ng kautusan ng Diyos mo.

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Halika at samahan mo akong ikumpara kung alin ang makatwiran ang Diyos ng bibliya ninyo o ang Diyos sa Quran.


Ang sabi ng inyong bibliya.

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

Deuteuronomio 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


Makikita na kung ano ang ginawa sa iyo ay dapat ganoon din ang gawin sa inyo, makikita mo na walang option basta mata sa mata, ngayon tingnan mo ang nasa Quran.


We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)

Nakita mo iyong nasa bold and underline.

But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself

Makatwiran ang Allah sapagkat kung napatawad ka ng pamilya ng biktima ay ligtas ka sa kamatayan, sa inilatag ko bang utos ng Diyos mo mayroon bang ganyan?


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Post by RavlaM on Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:55 pm

Read clearly your verses it does not say punishment...it says retaliation
Meaning Islam teaches retaliation.
Do not compare what is written in the Bible because we don't do those things. We have a better understanding of what is good and bad.
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Post by bench on Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:38 pm

harballah wrote:

Halika at samahan mo akong ikumpara kung alin ang makatwiran ang Diyos ng bibliya ninyo o ang Diyos sa Quran.


Ang sabi ng inyong bibliya.

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Leviticus 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

Deuteuronomio 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


Makikita na kung ano ang ginawa sa iyo ay dapat ganoon din ang gawin sa inyo, makikita mo na walang option basta mata sa mata, ngayon tingnan mo ang nasa Quran.


We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)

Nakita mo iyong nasa bold and underline.

But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself

Makatwiran ang Allah sapagkat kung napatawad ka ng pamilya ng biktima ay ligtas ka sa kamatayan, sa inilatag ko bang utos ng Diyos mo mayroon bang ganyan?



ang laki nga naman ng pagkaka-iba....mas malupit ang sa biblia.

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Post by RavlaM on Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:10 pm

Huh! Christians do not do those gory things, You really do not know the Christian ways.

Look what Islam teaches you...Retaliation. Vengeance...

Christians have no choice but to forgive.
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Post by the700clowns on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:21 pm

RavlaM wrote:Read clearly your verses it does not say punishment...it says retaliation
Meaning Islam teaches retaliation.
Do not compare what is written in the Bible because we don't do those things. We have a better understanding of what is good and bad.

ibig sabihin e mas marunong pa kayo sa trinity god na nag-utos nun?! hahaha Laughing
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Post by RavlaM on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:11 pm

[/quote]ibig sabihin e mas marunong pa kayo sa trinity god na nag-utos nun?! hahaha Laughing
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Hindi mo talaga maiintindihan ang pagiging Kristyano.

Malinaw naman na an turo ng Islam ay retaliation....wawa naman kayo.
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Post by harballah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:45 am

RavlaM wrote:Huh! Christians do not do those gory things, You really do not know the Christian ways.

Look what Islam teaches you...Retaliation. Vengeance...

Christians have no choice but to forgive.

Ano kamo hindi ginagawa ng mga kristiyano, bakit hindi ba utos ng Diyos ninyo iyong nasa bibliya ninyo, unless utos ni Pablo ang sinusunod ninyo

Ano kamo ulit, ang utos sa amiin ay gumanti o baka naman gusto lang sabihin ng Allah na dapat ipagtanggol namin ang sarili namin, kayo po ayaw ba ninyong ipagtanggol ang sarili ninyo at hahayaan ninyo ng pagpapatayin kayo?

Tingnan mo ang sabi ng Allah.


42:39. And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves.

42:40. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah. for ((Allah)) loveth not those who do wrong.

42:41. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame.

42:42. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.

42:43. But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.

Ayan po ang sabi ng Allah at kapag ipinagtanggol namin ang sarili namin ay hindi kami magkakasala, kayo po ang sabi ninyo ay turo sa inyo ay pagpapatawad, papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi? ?</FONT></FONT>


Pakisagot lang po ng deretsahan, puwede po kayong gumamit sa bibliya kung mayroon kayong mailalatag

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:05 am

Lumalayo ka na sa usapin, wala ka na bang idadagdag sa "retaliation" na tinuturo ng quran sa inyo. "Paralysis for Paralysis".

Yan mga verse na nilatag mo din na yan ang ginagamit ng mga terrorista, feeling kasi nila maydoon silang dapat ipaghiganti.

Pinagmamalaki mo na utos din ni allah ang forgiveness...pero marami din siyang utos na gumanti...
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Post by harballah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:15 pm

RavlaM wrote:Lumalayo ka na sa usapin, wala ka na bang idadagdag sa "retaliation" na tinuturo ng quran sa inyo. "Paralysis for Paralysis".

Yan mga verse na nilatag mo din na yan ang ginagamit ng mga terrorista, feeling kasi nila maydoon silang dapat ipaghiganti.

Pinagmamalaki mo na utos din ni allah ang forgiveness...pero marami din siyang utos na gumanti...

Naku imbes na takasan mo ang inilatag ko ay ipakita mo kung papaano mo iyan i-refute hindi dinadaan sa haka-haka, quote it one by one.

Especially sa tanong kung ito sa inyo.

kayo po ang sabi ninyo ay turo sa inyo ay pagpapatawad, papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi?



Harballah wrote:Ano kamo hindi ginagawa ng mga kristiyano, bakit hindi ba utos ng Diyos ninyo iyong nasa bibliya ninyo, unless utos ni Pablo ang sinusunod ninyo

Ano kamo ulit, ang utos sa amiin ay gumanti o baka naman gusto lang sabihin ng Allah na dapat ipagtanggol namin ang sarili namin, kayo po ayaw ba ninyong ipagtanggol ang sarili ninyo at hahayaan ninyo ng pagpapatayin kayo?

Tingnan mo ang sabi ng Allah.


42:39. And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) help and defend themselves.

42:40. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah. for ((Allah)) loveth not those who do wrong.

42:41. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame.

42:42. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.

42:43. But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.

Ayan po ang sabi ng Allah at kapag ipinagtanggol namin ang sarili namin ay hindi kami magkakasala, kayo po ang sabi ninyo ay turo sa inyo ay pagpapatawad, papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi?

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:55 pm

Yan bang mga verse na yan ang isasagot mo eh malinaw naman sa mga unang verses na nilatag mo revenge ay puwedeng puwede sa islam..................... Ngayon nilalatag mo naman forgiveness.


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Post by harballah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:31 pm

RavlaM wrote:Yan bang mga verse na yan ang isasagot mo eh malinaw naman sa mga unang verses na nilatag mo revenge ay puwedeng puwede sa islam..................... Ngayon nilalatag mo naman forgiveness.




Pakisagot muna ito kasi puro ako lang ang sumasagot.

Harballah wrote:Ayan po ang sabi ng Allah at kapag ipinagtanggol namin ang sarili namin ay hindi kami magkakasala, kayo po ang sabi ninyo ay turo sa inyo ay pagpapatawad, papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi ?

Siguro naman puwede ka naman sumagot sa akin ng deretsahan, puwede karin gumamit ng bibliya para maganda.

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Re: Islam Reality

Post by RavlaM on Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:52 am

Proverbs 25:21 (NIV)
21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.


Romans 12:17 (NIV)
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.



Exodus 22:2–3 (NIV)
2 “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed. “A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft.

When a thief breaks into someone’s house at night and that person
defends his home and slays the thief, God does not hold that death over
the defender’s head. However, God does not wish for anyone to take law
into his or her own hands. This is why it is said that if a thief is
struck down during the daylight the defender is guilty of
bloodshed. Now
this is speaking of thievery, not an attack. So if the thief were to
attack the defender even during the day, self-defense would be
justified.

1Co 6:19-20
19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. (1Co 6:19-20 ASV)
Our bodies are His property and so we are not permitted to treat or destroy them.










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Post by harballah on Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:12 am

Basi sa inilatag mong mga talata diyan, nasagot ba diya ang tanong kung ito.

Harballah wrote:Ayan po ang sabi ng Allah at kapag ipinagtanggol namin ang sarili namin ay hindi kami magkakasala, kayo po ang sabi ninyo ay turo sa inyo ay pagpapatawad, papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi ?

Napaka-iksi lang ang hinahanap kung sagot sa inyo, nagkasala at hindi nagkasala........alin diyan.

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Post by RavlaM on Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:19 am

harballah wrote:Basi sa inilatag mong mga talata diyan, nasagot ba diya ang tanong kung ito.



Napaka-iksi lang ang hinahanap kung sagot sa inyo, nagkasala at hindi nagkasala........alin diyan.


Basahin mo at malalaman mo..
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Post by harballah on Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:12 am

RavlaM wrote:


Basahin mo at malalaman mo..

Wala naman akong nakitang sagot doon sa talata mo maliban sa sinabi ang ganito.

If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.

Do not repay anyone evil for evil.

May sagot ba diyan o tanong ko sa inyo na ganito.

Harballah wrote:
papaano kung nakapatay kayo ng dahil sa pag-depensa sa sarili, nagkakasala ba kayo o hindi ?

Wala akong makita sa talata mo na nasagot ang tanong kung iyan, pero dito ay mayroon akong nakita.

RavlaM wrote:
Exodus 22:2–3 (NIV)
2 “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed. “A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft.

When a thief breaks into someone’s house at night and that person
defends his home and slays the thief, God does not hold that death over
the defender’s head. However, God does not wish for anyone to take law
into his or her own hands. This is why it is said that if a thief is
struck down during the daylight the defender is guilty of
bloodshed. Now
this is speaking of thievery, not an attack. So if the thief were to
attack the defender even during the day, self-defense would be
justified.

Ngayon kung pagbabasihan ko ang nasa Proverbs 25:21 (NIV) at Romans 12:17 (NIV)
ay magkaiba sa nasa Exodus.

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Post by harballah on Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:13 am

Ngayon uulitin ko ang tanong at deretsahan sagot lamang, nagkakasala kaba o hindi kapag nakapatay ka ng dahil sa pagtatanggol sa sarili.

Ayan pakisagot lang ng deretsahan.

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