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Where Did We Get Our Bible?

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Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Dhugz on Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:07 pm

Ito ang tanong sa mga nagdudunung dunungan sa Bibliya, pero sa katotohanan.Yung mga protestante nga daw halos boong bibliya ay memorize nila pero kung tanungin mo kung saan galing ang bibliya ang lalayo ng mga sagot. Mahirap bang tanggapin na ang Iglesia Katolika ang gumawa niyang bibliyang iyan? Magpasalamat kayo na mga pekeng Kristiyano dahil kung di dahil sa Catholic Church wala yang mga pekeng sekta at relihiyon niyo. Gusto niyo isa isahin ko kayo INC, baptist, born again at lahat ng mga sektang protestante arian, trinitarian man o Oneness.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by harballah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:26 am

Dhugz wrote:Ito ang tanong sa mga nagdudunung dunungan sa Bibliya, pero sa katotohanan.Yung mga protestante nga daw halos boong bibliya ay memorize nila pero kung tanungin mo kung saan galing ang bibliya ang lalayo ng mga sagot</FONT>. Mahirap bang tanggapin na ang Iglesia Katolika ang gumawa niyang bibliyang iyan? Magpasalamat kayo na mga pekeng Kristiyano dahil kung di dahil sa Catholic Church wala yang mga pekeng sekta at relihiyon niyo. Gusto niyo isa isahin ko kayo INC, baptist, born again at lahat ng mga sektang protestante arian, trinitarian man o Oneness. </FONT>

Naku sinong protestante ba iyang nakakasaulo ng bibliya

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Dhugz on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:43 am

harballah wrote:

Naku sinong protestante ba iyang nakakasaulo ng bibliya

Madami hahaha, may pastor, may albularyo, may moderator na abusado ng Old Barm hehehehehehehe.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by harballah on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:33 pm

Dhugz wrote:

Madami hahaha, may pastor, may albularyo, may moderator na abusado ng Old Barm hehehehehehehe.

Ganoon ba, so memoryado nila ang bibliya

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Dhugz on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:21 pm

Oo naman harby, natatandaan ko kasi meron sa Old Barm ang nagsabi niyan eh, mga ilang beses na nga daw niya binasa ang bibliya. Razz
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by ramcam2 on Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:56 pm

Even if our Protestant brothers deny it, their acceptance of this book is an implied admission of the authority of the Catholic Church... unless of course they can prove they are the parent, the author and maker under God, of the Bible.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Ateo on Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:29 pm

It is possible, however, that the Protestants would accept the Catholic role in gathering the biblical books but will not accept its superiority in authority.

It is actually similar to how Christians treat your Jewish forebears. You would readily admit that the Jews are the compilers and even authors of the books of the OT but that does not give Judaism and the current rabbis any superior authority in interpreting the OT book in the Bible.

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Dhugz on Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:56 pm

Ateo wrote:It is possible, however, that the Protestants would accept the Catholic role in gathering the biblical books but will not accept its superiority in authority.

It is actually similar to how Christians treat your Jewish forebears. You would readily admit that the Jews are the compilers and even authors of the books of the OT but that does not give Judaism and the current rabbis any superior authority in interpreting the OT book in the Bible.

Pero di naman yung buong kinompile ng Judaism ang aming sinunod eh, may srili kaming Canon, at ang Catholic Church ay siya nga mismo ang Complete Judaism eh.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Ateo on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:02 am

Yan nga ang argument ng mga Protestants, Dhugz, eh.

a. Ang mga Judeo ang nag-compile ng OT, pero di sila ang totoo. Sabi mo nga ang RCC ang Complete Judaism.

b. Ang RCC ang nag-compile ng OT at NT, pero di sila ang totoo.
Yan an logic ng mga Evangelicals, which actually follows your logic in a.

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by MarcCatholic on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:50 am

Kasi Ateo ang tinutukoy mo naman ay interpretasyon na sa OT. Yong pagkanon wala namang ginawa ang mga hudyo doon pero nagpapasalamat kami dahil sa kanila ang unang revelation at unang bahagi ng Kasulatan. Bottom line nga po dito ang Catholic Church mismo ang unang bumuo ng kumpletong bibliya. Bahala na ang ibang mga sekta kung may sarili silang interpretasyon basta ang dahilan kaya nagkaroon ng bibliya ay wala pong iba kundi ang Santa Iglesya. Very Happy
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Ateo on Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:08 am

Marc, actually may Jewish canon din.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Jewish_Bible_canon

Kung sila nga ang sumulat sa Bibliya, dapat sumunod kayo sa opinyon nila. Pero syempre hindi sa lahat.

Sabi mo nagpasalamat kayo sa mga Judeo pero gumawa kayo ng sarili nyong canon.

Ganon din ang mga Evangelical, nagpasalamat sila sa inyo pero may sarili silang canon na iba sa inyo.

Dyan nagka-iba ang mga Pastafarians. Ang aming canon ay in-email na lang ng Divine Pasta. Wala ng canon debate at intrigues. Sana ganoon din sa inyo.

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by Dhugz on Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:35 am

Ateo wrote:Marc, actually may Jewish canon din.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Jewish_Bible_canon

Kung sila nga ang sumulat sa Bibliya, dapat sumunod kayo sa opinyon nila. Pero syempre hindi sa lahat.

Sabi mo nagpasalamat kayo sa mga Judeo pero gumawa kayo ng sarili nyong canon.

Ganon din ang mga Evangelical, nagpasalamat sila sa inyo pero may sarili silang canon na iba sa inyo.

Dyan nagka-iba ang mga Pastafarians. Ang aming canon ay in-email na lang ng Divine Pasta. Wala ng canon debate at intrigues. Sana ganoon din sa inyo.

Ateo, kinikilala namin ang Judaism dahil sa kanila galing ang aming Cristo na nagtatag ng Simbahan. Di naman namin lubusang itinatakwil ang Judaism sapagkat kung titingnan natin, sa kanila namin kinopya yung pag aalay pero nasa tamang pamamaraan, sa kanila din namin ginaya yung mgaaa pista at marami pang iba, pati nga templo nila halos parehas sa amin. Pero ang pagkakaiba namin ay nakita at nakilala na nmin ang Messiah o ang Cristo, pero sila di naniwala sa Messiah na naksalamuha nila. Di namin lubusang tinatanggal ang karapatan ng mga Hudyo sa kaligtasan, dahil ang Diyos na ang mismong nakakaalam diyan. Dahil ang Catholic Church ay iglesia ng mga Hudyo at ng mga Hentil. Pero kung sa Canon, dahil ang Diyos, si Cristo ipinasa mismo kay Pedro na unang Santo Papa ang mga susi, ang authority, kaya nasa amin na mismo ang karapatan para Icanon ng Bibliya. Ang huling Canon ng Judaism kasi ay nagawa noong 90AD pangontra sa pagkilala kay Cristo o para tanggalin ang mga naganap na hula kay Cristo.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by ramcam2 on Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:46 am

Ateo wrote:Marc, actually may Jewish canon din.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Jewish_Bible_canon

Kung sila nga ang sumulat sa Bibliya, dapat sumunod kayo sa opinyon nila. Pero syempre hindi sa lahat.

Sabi mo nagpasalamat kayo sa mga Judeo pero gumawa kayo ng sarili nyong canon.

Ganon din ang mga Evangelical, nagpasalamat sila sa inyo pero may sarili silang canon na iba sa inyo.

Dyan nagka-iba ang mga Pastafarians. Ang aming canon ay in-email na lang ng Divine Pasta. Wala ng canon debate at intrigues. Sana ganoon din sa inyo.


God’s written word was entrusted to the Jews, but he never provided them with an inspired table of contents. For that reason, there has been ample disagreement over the canon, especially among Jews.

From Wiki.......... Today, there is no scholarly consensus as to when the Jewish canon was set.

What is certain is that there was no common canon among the Jews at the time of Christ. There was more than one canon and so which canon should one accept?
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by adanedhel on Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:59 am

Ateo wrote:Yan nga ang argument ng mga Protestants, Dhugz, eh.

a. Ang mga Judeo ang nag-compile ng OT, pero di sila ang totoo. Sabi mo nga ang RCC ang Complete Judaism.
RCC never claimed na hindi totoo ang Jewish Canon, though from RCC's point of view kulang ang revelation of truth sa Canon nila, hence masasabi natin na part of truth lang ang hawak ng mga Judio.

Ateo wrote:
b. Ang RCC ang nag-compile ng OT at NT, pero di sila ang totoo.
Yan an logic ng mga Evangelicals, which actually follows your logic in a.
Kaya lalabas na illogical ang mga Evangelicals and the rest of Protestant denoms kasi tinatanggap nila ang teaching authority ng Biblia pero hindi nila tanggap kung paano nabuo at kung sino ang bumuo nito.
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by catholicarchie on Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:39 pm

Ateo wrote:It is possible, however, that the Protestants would accept the Catholic role in gathering the biblical books but will not accept its superiority in authority.

It is actually similar to how Christians treat your Jewish forebears. You would readily admit that the Jews are the compilers and even authors of the books of the OT but that does not give Judaism and the current rabbis any superior authority in interpreting the OT book in the Bible.

actually the Catholic Old Testament was taken from the Septuagint, the Septuagint was used by most Jews especially in Palestine, it was quoted and alluded more than 60% of the time by Jesus and the Apostles in the NT as compared to the Masoretic texts which the Jews use now

the Jewish Council of Jamnia/Javneh decided upon a Canon of Scriptures 97 AD, they REJECTED THE SEPTUAGINT arguing it was Gentile tainted and the fact that the Christians used them

they also looked into the Gospels and rejected them also



the Catholic Church has used the Septuagint FROM THE BEGINING

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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by miss_terry on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:07 pm

naku, di na natapos yan
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Re: Where Did We Get Our Bible?

Post by adanedhel on Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:16 pm

Kahit ang ama ng Protestantismo si Martin Luther inamin niya na kung di dahil sa mga Papists hindi daw sila magkakaroon ng Salita ng Dios...
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