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Re: Dengue fever

Post by element_115x on Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:07 pm

Parang sa abortion... the unborn gets sure entry to heaven when they die, so why not let them go to heaven, instead of allowing them to live as 'fallen humans' and jeopardize their heavenly pass in the process, considering the temptations in this life... i just don't get it. Are they masochists? Razz
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Re: Dengue fever

Post by vril on Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:21 pm

element_115x wrote:Parang sa abortion... the unborn gets sure entry to heaven when they die, so why not let them go to heaven, instead of allowing them to live as 'fallen humans' and jeopardize their heavenly pass in the process, considering the temptations in this life... i just don't get it. Are they masochists? Razz

Good point. But if you abort they say it's murder!.....haaaays!

What if one religious kills say 1 million innocents/children. This would mean 1 million souls will get to heaven against one single soul going to hell. Is he doing god a favor?

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by harballah on Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:12 am

vril wrote:

Maybe the rewards aren't inviting as the rewards of those suicide bombers.

Christian Martyrdom Rewards: Heaven and reunification with Jesus-------to vague.
Fundamental Islamic Martyrdom Rewards: Paradise with 72 Young Virgins. untouched by angels and jinns with pearly eyes.-----huwao!

Vril ang suicide bombers ay hindi Martyr sa Islam.

Pakibigay din ang talata sa Quran na matatagpuan ang 72 virgins na iyan at kung puwede paki-post lang sa Islam board kasi hindi yan ang paksa dito.

Thanks and peace!

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by Ateo on Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:56 am

Hahahaha! Sabi ko na nga ba na di makaligtas si Vril kay Harballah sa sinabi niyang 72 virgins.

But in fairness to Vril, there is in fact a mention of 72 virgins in one of the Hadiths, not in the Quran. And the Hadith is classified as a Gharib (weak hadith), but it is not clear to me why it is relatively easy for Muslim scholars to classify a hadith as weak or strong. Seems somewhat subjective. There is really no complete canon on the hadiths.

Here's the verse:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah(A village in Damascus.) to San'a(Capital city of Yemen.)"

Tirmidhi in "Sunan" (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven," hadith 2687)


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In addition to the virgins, meron din po bang nag-gwaguapohang mga waiters? Just curious.

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by vril on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:52 am

Ateo wrote:Hahahaha! Sabi ko na nga ba na di makaligtas si Vril kay Harballah sa sinabi niyang 72 virgins.

But in fairness to Vril, there is in fact a mention of 72 virgins in one of the Hadiths, not in the Quran. And the Hadith is classified as a Gharib (weak hadith), but it is not clear to me why it is relatively easy for Muslim scholars to classify a hadith as weak or strong. Seems somewhat subjective. There is really no complete canon on the hadiths.

Here's the verse:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah(A village in Damascus.) to San'a(Capital city of Yemen.)"

Tirmidhi in "Sunan" (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven," hadith 2687)


p.s.

In addition to the virgins, meron din po bang nag-gwaguapohang mga waiters? Just curious.

Thanks Ateo. This is the reason why there are Qu'ranists. Those who reject all hadiths and Sunnahs. These writings seemingly contradicts what is written in the Qu'ran. And these group are considered cults by mainstream Islam.


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Re: Dengue fever

Post by harballah on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:02 am

Mga brad iyong kasing hadiths ay gawa lang ng tao madaling palitan, baguhin at ikorap, pero mayroon mga Iskolar na siyang nakakaalam kung alin ang authenticated hadiths.

Kaya nga mayroon mga strong hadith, weak hadith at fabricated hadiths.

Kaya nga itinatanong ko kung saan nabanggit kasi paboritong gamitin iyan ng mga anti-islam bilang propaganda.

@Vril iyong mga nagsasabing Quranist sila, subukan mong tanungin kung nagagawa nila ang limang haligi ng Islam, ask them kung papaano nila nagagawa ito gamit ang Quran.

@Ateo lagi kasi akong nakasusubaybay, iyon nga lang inunahan mo si Vril gayong siya ang tinatanong ko pero okey lang atleast alam ni vril na wala sa Quran at strong hadith ang tungkol sa 72 virgins na nasagap niya sa anti-islam sites.

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by harballah on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:05 am

Puwede na ba ng bumalik na sa paksa kung saan about "DENGUE FEVER".

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by vril on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:09 am

harballah wrote:Mga brad iyong kasing hadiths ay gawa lang ng tao madaling palitan, baguhin at ikorap, pero mayroon mga Iskolar na siyang nakakaalam kung alin ang authenticated hadiths.

Kaya nga mayroon mga strong hadith, weak hadith at fabricated hadiths.

Kaya nga itinatanong ko kung saan nabanggit kasi paboritong gamitin iyan ng mga anti-islam bilang propaganda.

@Vril iyong mga nagsasabing Quranist sila, subukan mong tanungin kung nagagawa nila ang limang haligi ng Islam, ask them kung papaano nila nagagawa ito gamit ang Quran.

@Ateo lagi kasi akong nakasusubaybay, iyon nga lang inunahan mo si Vril gayong siya ang tinatanong ko pero okey lang atleast alam ni vril na wala sa Quran at strong hadith ang tungkol sa 72 virgins na nasagap niya sa anti-islam sites.

Do you know any Qu'ranist i can ask? Thanks.

Would you know how the 72 virgins originated? And why there are strong, weak and fabricated hadiths? Thanks.

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by vril on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:12 am

UU nga pala...OT na....geh balik na tau dengue fever. I would suggest regularly check for stagnant waters and use water based solutions to kill mosquitoes.

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by miss_terry on Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:57 am

Naku, marami na din dito sa Lipa at Malvar.
Maging malinis na lang tayo sa paligid. Smile
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Re: Dengue fever

Post by vril on Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:20 pm

miss_terry wrote:Naku, marami na din dito sa Lipa at Malvar.
Maging malinis na lang tayo sa paligid. Smile

yes...the gov't cannot solve this problem by itself. It should start from everyone.

malinis ka nga sa paligid mo yun namang kapitbahay mo e madumi...wala rin.


OT. San ka sa lipa miss terry?

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by Ateo on Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:19 pm

And what is God doing in all of these?

Select the correct answer:

A. No comments. He created mosquitoes too.

B. Freewill (Bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo).

C. Test of faith. Praying is more important than cleaning your surroundings. This is just to test your faith. The harder the test, the greater his love for you.

D. Sin. God did not really want you to suffer. He LOVES you. It is now the lord of the world (Satan) who dominates the world because of sin. Repent (and kill a few gays and non-virgins too, if you can).

E. He will answer but in His own way. God answers to prayers. Many dengue victim were cured (by doctors) but with God's blessing. If you are not cured, remember that God can say "yes," "no," or "maybe".

F. All of the above. Religious folks recycle these answers for any disease, calamity or events. There are not that many alibi, folks, so you can memorize them and use them again for the next "challenge".

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by fredms3 on Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:25 pm

I think the best question Ateo is what are we doing in all of these?

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by Ateo on Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:29 am

So, Fred, what is the bottomline on this dengue crisis? Punishment ba ito ni God dahil sa dumaraming atheists? Pagsubok lang ba ito, to remind us not to use condoms, he he he? O walang kinalaman si God dito dahil sa free willy?

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Post by fredms3 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:48 pm

Bottomline Ateo ay sobra na talaga ang pagwawalang-bahala ng mga tao sa kanilang mga paligid. Ngayong matindi na ang pagkalat ng dengue dito sa Metro Manila hanggang sa probinsya na ay heto naglilinis na ang mga tao na sana'y ginawa at ginagawa na noon pa man.

Nature has its lesson para sa atin and God allowed it dahil we want it to happen.

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Post by gin on Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:39 am

Ateo wrote:And what is God doing in all of these?

Select the correct answer:

A. No comments. He created mosquitoes too.

B. Freewill (Bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo).

C. Test of faith. Praying is more important than cleaning your surroundings. This is just to test your faith. The harder the test, the greater his love for you.

D. Sin. God did not really want you to suffer. He LOVES you. It is now the lord of the world (Satan) who dominates the world because of sin. Repent (and kill a few gays and non-virgins too, if you can).

E. He will answer but in His own way. God answers to prayers. Many dengue victim were cured (by doctors) but with God's blessing. If you are not cured, remember that God can say "yes," "no," or "maybe".

F. All of the above. Religious folks recycle these answers for any disease, calamity or events. There are not that many alibi, folks, so you can memorize them and use them again for the next "challenge".

Letter A -- at nagbabago ang mundo. Natural lang na magsulputan din ang iba't ibang sakit gaya niyan
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Re: Dengue fever

Post by MarcCatholic on Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:15 am

Di ko gets bakit kailangan isisi kay God ang mga ganito. Hindi ba kasama to sa araw-araw nag pagbabago ng ating paligid. Actually, kagagawan naman natin to e. Tayo ang namalakad sa mundo tapos pag may problema sisi agad sa Diyos? What an atheistic point of view. Sana habang nabubuhay tayo natuto tayong magpasalamat sa mga biyayang natanggap natin. Sa araw-araw na buhay.
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Re: Dengue fever

Post by Ateo on Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:43 am

MarcCatholic wrote:Di ko gets bakit kailangan isisi kay God ang mga ganito. Hindi ba kasama to sa araw-araw nag pagbabago ng ating paligid. Actually, kagagawan naman natin to e. Tayo ang namalakad sa mundo tapos pag may problema sisi agad sa Diyos? What an atheistic point of view. Sana habang nabubuhay tayo natuto tayong magpasalamat sa mga biyayang natanggap natin. Sa araw-araw na buhay.

Syempre, "Nasa Diyos ang awa, nasa Diyos ang sisi." (Pasta 2:11)

Dapat sisihin si God:

1. Siya ang may gawa ng dengue mosquito. Alangan namang si Taning ay may creations din.

2. Lahat ay nangyayari sa kanyang kaalaman at pahintulot. Remember, Satan asked God for permission to harm Job. Also, dahil omniscience siya, lahat na daing ngayon ng mga batang may dengue ay dinig na dinig ni God. Anong ginawa niya? Sadista ba siya?

3. Sabi niya "Look the lilies in the field, they never sow nor reap, yet God takes cares of them." So, let us not worry, let God take care of hte mosquitoes.

4. Pray anything in my name... Di ba pramis yan ni Jesus? So, sa dami ng prayers ng mga pobreng biktima ng dengue, wala pa ring aksyon si Jesus?

Itanong mo nga sa kanya, Marc.

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Re: Dengue fever

Post by MarcCatholic on Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:44 am

Wala Ateo e. Nasasabi mo yan dahilan hindi mo sinubukang unawain. Wala nang magagawa si God sa'yo sarado ka na e. Kung naging responsable ka lang sa mga ginagawa mo, sa mga ginagawa nating mga tao, matapos nating masira or naging kasangkapan sa pagkasira ng ating kapaligiran, sisisihin natin ang Diyos na Siyang lumikha ng mga mabubuting bagay? Bakit ba ganyan nalang kaliit ang ating pagtingin sa Kanya? Kung wala tayong free will (dahil nga naman sabi mo alam na ng Diyos ito) at kung hindi Niya pinahintulutang magkaroon ng interaksyon ang mga tao dito sa lupa e para tayong mga robot diba? Sana hindi nalang tayo nilikha. Hindi marunong paano ipakita ang pagiging responsable mong nilalang. Hindi po siya sadista. Medyo malayo sa dengue ang sagot ko pero nakita ko kasi ang pinapatamaan mo ay pagka-walang "concern" ng Diyos sa tao na ok lang may mamatay o kaya siya pa ang pumatay sa kanila. Bottom line, sana wala nalang palang kamatayan diba? Kasalanan po natin ito.
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Re: Dengue fever

Post by Ateo on Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:52 am

No, Marc, there is no God. That is the correct and simplest explanation why dengue exists. There is no all-loving God that ignores the cries of children. There is no all-knowing God that does not help us what to do. There is no Jesus who promised to answer our prayers and then fails to answer them this time.

There is only nature. Nature is nature. It is not all loving, it does not answer prayers. We have to treat nature with respect.

That is the easiest explanation. No dilemma, not forced logic.

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Post by MarcCatholic on Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:20 am

Ibig mong sabihin dapat walang pasakit na mararanasan kapag may Diyos Ateo? Ganoon lang ba ang pamantayan mo? Naku, kung ganoon pala e walang saysay ang pagiging tao mo. Si Kristo nga dumanas diyan sa kamatayan e. Ang basic tanong mo kasi bakit may namamatay at kinsangkapan pa ang mga hayop. Parang ganito, may nakagat ng lion at namatay talaga dahil nilapa ito. Eto ka sisisihin si God dahil pinabayaan niyang malapa siya. Ganoon ba? Ang mosquito ay andyan lang yan. Naghahanap din ng survival niya. Nasa tao na ang pag-iingat. Nasa tao na ang kanyang pagpapakita ng kanyang responsibilidad. Kaya nga highest creature tayo ni God e dahil rational tayo. Dapat marunong mag-isip, mag-ingat at humanap ng paliwanag sa mga bagay na nais ipa-explore sa'yo ng Diyos. Hindi puro sisi agad. Para kang suwail na anak e, sinisisi mo ang mga magulang mo dahil bumagsak ka sa exam. Anyway, bahala ka na po. Titigil ko na to. Wala din naman e. Very Happy
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Post by Ateo on Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:55 am

Marc, wag ka muna tumigil. Intindihin mo muna ang sitwasyon.

Bakit ko sisihin ang magulang ko pag bumagsak ako sa exam? Di naman sinabi ng tatay ko na i-guarantee niya na papasa ako.

Ibang usapan ang Diyos. Sabi kasi ni Jesus, "Ask ANYTHING in my name and it will be granted." Di siya pinwersa. Siya ang kusang nagsabi ng ANYTHING. So, ngayon ang mga mahihirap ay nagdasal ng taimtim na gagaling ang kanilang anak na may dengue, pero dedma si Jesus. Mas concerned pa si Jesus sa condom issue kaysa dengue.

Bakit naman kasi ang mga mahihirap pa na halong luha at dugo kung magdarasal ang tinatamaan ng dengue? Ang mga mayayaman na di naman nagdarasal at screened ang bahay ay wala namang dengue.

Seguro mahal ni God ang mga mahihirap kasi pinarami niya eh, he he he he.

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Post by MarcCatholic on Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:54 am

Ateo, naintidihan mo ba ang "anything" diyan? Kasama ba mga masasamang balak? Baka masyado nyo nalang niliteral ang pagkaunawa diyan. Syempre tsismis mo lang yong condom issue. Wag mo ipalagay tama ang sinabi mo. At, sinabi ba ng Diyos na kapag andyan siya masarap nalang matatamasa mo? Naging tao ka pa puro lang kasarapan sa buhay lang pala ang gusto mo. Sa bagay minamaliit mo naman kasi ang Diyos kaya ganyan ka makapagbintang sa Kanya. Hindi ba pwedeng magkasakit Ateo? Nakakaawa noh dahil tinamaan sila pero nagkakasakit din naman ang mga mayayaman ah at may namamatay din sa kanila. Anong nais mong sabihin? Na mas marami sa mga mahihirap? Na mas kawawa sila? Kung naniniwala ka sana Diyos, alam mo ang mabuting aabutin ng mga dukha sapagkat sa Diyos lang nila iniaasa ang kanilang buhay. Yon ang may garantiya. Beattitudes yan. Mahal talaga ni God ang mga mahihirap, pati ang mga mayayaman din. Mahal Niya tayong lahat kahit i-reject mo man Siya. Si Pasta wala niyan. Ang tao ang may kasalanan sa pagsira ng Kanyang mga likha kaya nagkaroon ng imbalance sa ating nature. I-expect mo pa din ba si God na bawat yugto ng mga problema nito instant siyang magpapakita at sasabihing, "Oi! ok na ha. Wag ka na magreklamo kutos ka sa akin." Atheist nga naman.
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Post by Ateo on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:12 am

Alam ko naman ang meaning ng word na "anything", Marc. Syempre, ikaw rin alam mo rin yan, di ba?

Sabi mo, "kasama ba mga masasamang balak?". Sinabi ko bang nagdarasal sila ng masasamang balak? Sabi ko lang naman na nagdarasal ang napakaraming mahihirap ng Pilipino na pagalingin ang kanilang anak. Anong masamang balak diyan?

Aber nga, i-explain mo nga kung ano ba talaga sa inyong pananaw ang totoong kahulugan sa talatang ito:

"And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)


Marc, wag mo na lang pagalingin ang mga batang may dengue kung masama nga yan. Ilipat mo na lang yung Mt. Banahaw at ilagay mo sa Quezon City. Nakasulat yan eh na pwede.

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Post by element_115x on Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:48 pm

Ateo wrote:No, Marc, there is no God. That is the correct and simplest explanation why dengue exists. There is no all-loving God that ignores the cries of children. There is no all-knowing God that does not help us what to do. There is no Jesus who promised to answer our prayers and then fails to answer them this time.

There is only nature. Nature is nature. It is not all loving, it does not answer prayers. We have to treat nature with respect.

That is the easiest explanation. No dilemma, not forced logic.

I agree... God is merely there to give meaning to unexplainable and unfathomable things that we experience everyday. Kahit andyan si God or wala, it's the same 'neutral' phenomena we live through everyday. It's all about people trying to make sense of things. But the overall situation doesn't give a hoot about how we percieve it. Smile
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