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Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

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Post by BibleBot on Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:00 pm

Paghambingin natin ha? Kasi si Hesus para sa mga Krisitiyano ay daan patungo sa Ama, sa madaling salita siya ang kaligtasan samantalang si Muhamed ay di siguradong ligtas makikita nyo rito sa natapos na usapin,

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brod walang tao ang nakakasigurado sa kanyang kaligtasan, bakit ikaw sigurado kana ba sa kaligtasan mo kaya nga ako umalis dyan dahil baka sakali lang ang kaligtasan na pagkakaalam ko noon at luminaw lalo ang kaligawan nit ng ako ay mag muslim dahil masama pala at pinaka malaking kasalanan ang kumilala ng ibang taga pagligtas maliban sa nag iisang tunay na dyos. kahit ang mahal na propheta ay nag sabi na sya ay hindi nakakasigurado na sya ay ligtas. kaya nya sinikap na maging mabuting linhgkod ng dyos sa abot ng kanyang makakaya hanggang sa huling hininga nya at sinabi pa nya na sya ay
maliligtas dahil lamang sa awa ng ALLAH, AT YUN ANG AMING PINAG SISIKAPANG KAMTIN NA ANG allah LAMANG ANG NAKAKAALAM ng aming kaligtasan, brod gamitin mo na ang pang unawa mo sayang baka mahuli na ang lahat kami ay isang malinaw na palatandaan sayo na naiparating ng dakilang dyos sayo ang tunay na katuruan, at wala na kaming pananagutan
sayo pag sapit natin sa kabilang buhay.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=46880

Ano-ano ang implikasyon ng pagkakaroon ng "propetang" di siguradong maliligtas? Yan po ang pag-usapan natin ngayon.

Siguro kung ako ang tatanungin ang 5 mga implikasyong naiisip ko ay ganire,

1) Kung si Hesus ang kaligtasan at si Muhamed di suguradong ligtas hindi natuto si Muhamed kay Hesus.

2) Kung si Hesus ang kaligtasan at si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas dapat siguro magpaligtas siya kay Hesus

3) Kung si Hesus ang kaligtasan at si Muhamed di suguradong ligtas bakit pa ako maniniwala kay Muhamed

4) Kung si Hesus ang kaligtasan at si Muhamed di suguradong ligtas bilang Kristiyano bakit pa ako magmu-Muslim sabi nga ni Jewy,

[b]WhiteJewel[/b] wrote:
ayoko kasing bumaba sa lower level, parang pacman pataas ng pataas hehhehe nakakapagboxing na ako sa MGM Grand tapos gusto mo pati boxing sa fiesta sa barangay ay papatulan ko pa? Ay hindi na, ipapaubaya ko na yan sa
mga kalevel nila hehhehe

5) Kung si Hesus ang kaligtasan at si Muhamed di suguradong ligtas, nasa tamang landas ang mga Kristiyano at yung mga Muslim ay naliligaw ng landas

Kayo po anong maidaragdag ninyo? Pag-usapan natin yan.

wag po sanang mamersonal at mapikon. kaibigan ko kayong lahat

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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by harballah on Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:54 pm

Ito pala ang sagot ko sa paksang iyan kasi dinekwat ni Disipulo aka kapatid sa salita ni Shemp.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showpost.php?p=658749&postcount=2


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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by BibleBot on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:00 pm

Kaya nga po sabi ko, "Kasi si Hesus para sa mga Krisitiyano ay daan patungo sa Ama..." sa Injeel namin sinabi ni Hesus yan letra por letra. Eto po,

Sinabi sa kanya ni Jesus, 'Ako ang daan, at ang katotohanan, at ang buhay. Sinuman ay hindi makakarating sa Ama kundi sa
pamamagitan ko.
Jn. 14:6
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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:30 pm

Kita mo ang utak ni botbot aka Junny imbes na basahin kung ano ang naging sagot ko sa kabila ay ipinasok naman iyong aral nila kay Pablo, akala ko pa naman ay about sa Islam ang tinalatalakay nito


harballah wrote:Ito pala ang sagot ko sa paksang iyan kasi dinekwat ni Disipulo aka kapatid sa salita ni Shemp.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showpost.php?p=658749&postcount=2


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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by BibleBot on Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:51 pm

hindi po sulat ni pablo yan ke juan po yan
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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by adanedhel on Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:08 pm

Comparison between God in Islam and Christianity

The author : Father Zakaria Boutros
The publisher: www.fatherzakaria.com

Is God is Islam is the same God of the Christianity?


In Christianity

God is Love: in 1 John 4:7, 8:" for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God. He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love"

In Islam

God has 99 names among them the arrogant, the humiliating, and the suppressive and but the loving is not among his names

As God in Christianity is love, he is inciting the people to love each other and love their enemies,

While God in Islam is inciting the people for fighting

In The Spoils of War (Surat Al-Anfal) 60:"And make ready against them all you can of power, to terrorize the enemy of Allah and your enemy"

In Christianity: he said love your enemies, While in Islam: he said terrorize the enemy

- In Christianity God is the God of peace:

- 1Thissalonian 5:23:" May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely"

- Matthew 5:9:" Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God."

- Romans 12:18:" be at peace with all men"

- While in Islam:

The Repentance chapter (Surat At-Taubah) 29:"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah (tribute) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"

In The Spoils of War (Surat Al-Anfal) 65:"O Prophet Urge the believers to fight"

In Sahih Al-Bokhary: Narrated Abe-Hurairah: the prophet said:" I was commanded to fight people till they testify that, no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
The word "to fight" was mentioned more that 100 times

Through research in the Islamic books the word" kill "or" fight" was mentioned 32213 times in the quran and the prophetical converses

While the Christ said to peter, "Put your sword back into its place, for all those who take the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52)

How do you compare the God of love and peace by the God of fighting and terrorism?

Some may say God in the Old Testament was ordering the people to fight:

Who are saying that are Actually ignoring a very essential fact , the old testament was the epoch of law and not the grace as the grace was not given yet

The Holy Bible said: for the law was given through Moses, but the grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"(John 1:17)

When they resemble Islam by the Old Testament, that's an ignoring of the grace testament that came and finished the war, as without the grace, man can't live in a sublimate spiritual level

One may ask why the grace was not given in the Old Testament.

That's because man had sinned and was separated from God and he was under the sentence of death , so how could he be given the grace and blessing and he was sentenced to death , as he was separated from God , so the sentence should be lifted first then to be given the grace and mercy

But how the sentence of death could be lifted, unless the redeemer comes to take that sentence for man, that's what was done by the Christ on the cross, as he lifted the death sentence for us and gave us the grace

Islam came after the grace, so how it pulled people back to the law, we can't go back again, as the reconciliation and forgiveness was already done, and the grace was given to mankind

The grace gives the man the power to control himself, as the grace of the Christ gives the
The fruit of the Spirit that is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, chastity and self control

In the Old Testament there was enmity, and there was no grace , so there was no self control , so there were wars , as God could 't order people to have such self control as they had no grace and that was outside their abilities to gain control over themselves

In the old testament there was a nation that's the Israeli nation , so there were wars , but when the Christ came there was no nation, as the kingdom of the Christ is not an earthy kingdom, but a spiritual kingdom on the heart by love

The aim of the nation in the old testament was to preserve the people of Israel from mixing with the pagan nations , as the people was prepared for the Christ to come from them, so they were given the laws , the prophecies and the symbols that foretell about the coming of the Christ

But for the Islamic nation, what are its goals? , is there any savoir to come?
It is an empire of war and fighting


For that the Christianity separated the nation from the religion, and we are not accepting the Israeli nation now, as its goal had already been accomplished, as the Christ came, he came to his people but they didn't accept him

The Christianity separated the nation from the religion, the Christ said: "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." (Luke 20:25)

The Christ said: "My Kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)

The nation is a political and social system, nations are changeable by time and with the change of civilization, the nation has politicians, diplomats, army forces

But the religion is fixed and unchangeable, as God is unchangeable, the human nature is unchangeable, the need for forgiveness is also unchangeable

The religion is concerned about the relationship between man with God and with the others, to live in love with God and people

While the nation is looking only for itself, how to protect its existence

There are tremendous differences between the nation and the religion

The Islamic history as a nation was nothing but a sea of blood, since the time of the prophet Muhammad there were wars, and incursions, and thousands of people died in those wars

After the death of the prophet many people renounced from Islam, they made a war against them and so many people were killed

In the Camel war attended by Ali Ibn Abe Taleb and Aeisha, about ten thousands men were killed

In the Amaoian epoch many people were killed

In the Othmanian epoch, they killed people, burned their bodies after killing them
In the recent history, about three thousands people were killed in one hour by the Islamic terrorist, in the twin tower in the United States

In January 2005, a full family was slaughtered in New Jersey in the United States, by the Islamic terrorist and they put their heads beside them, as Al-Zarkawy is doing in Iraq

The Judaism was not a colonizing nation aiming for expansion or occupying lands, but Islam aimed at propagation by the sward and colonization through Jihad

Is there any God ordering such killing and terrorism?

In Makkah the prophet was peaceful then after moving to Al-Medina he became the man of war, he wished to settle a nation by assassinations and wars, and he succeeded in that and all the peaceful Mekkaian verses of the quran were abrogated by the madinian verses inciting for killing and fighting



The Christ was gentle and lowly in heart; he said: learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart

He said blessed are the humbles, for they shall inherit the earth, Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

The God of Islam is the God of war and terrorism, while God in Christianity is the god of love and peace, so he could never be the same God.
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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:21 pm

BibleBot wrote:hindi po sulat ni pablo yan ke juan po yan

May sinabi ba akong ang tinutukoy ko ay ang talatang ipinaskil mo, atsaka nabasa mo ba iyong sagot ko galing sa thread na pinagkunan mo sa OLD BARM

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Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:24 pm

ADAN, matanong lang muna kita iyon bang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay hindi ninyo Diyos?

Iyan lang muna bago natin talakayin ang inilatag mo diyan at kung puwede gawa ka ng bagong thread kung saan talakayin natin ang mga sinasabi ni Bhoutros, one by one eklusibo para tayo lang ang mag-usap, dito kasi sa thread ni botbot aka junny ay basura kasi galing lang ito sa OLD BARM, ikinakalat lang niya dito.

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Re: Paghahambing: Si Hesus ay kaligtasan si Muhamed di siguradong ligtas

Post by adanedhel on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:43 pm

harballah wrote:ADAN, matanong lang muna kita iyon bang Diyos sa lumang tipan ay hindi ninyo Diyos?

Iyan lang muna bago natin talakayin ang inilatag mo diyan at kung puwede gawa ka ng bagong thread kung saan talakayin natin ang mga sinasabi ni Bhoutros, one by one eklusibo para tayo lang ang mag-usap, dito kasi sa thread ni botbot aka junny ay basura kasi galing lang ito sa OLD BARM, ikinakalat lang niya dito.

Bro Harballah pasensya ka na, di kasi ako makabuo ng bagong thread kaya kung saan saan na lang ako dumudugtong.

Anyway sagot ko sa tanong mo: Diyos ng Kristyanismo ang Diyos sa lumang tipan.
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Post by harballah on Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:52 pm

adanedhel wrote:

Bro Harballah pasensya ka na, di kasi ako makabuo ng bagong thread kaya kung saan saan na lang ako dumudugtong.

Anyway sagot ko sa tanong mo: Diyos ng Kristyanismo ang Diyos sa lumang tipan.

Kaya ko kasi sinasabing gumawa ka na lang ng ibang thread ay kadahilanan itong thread ni botbot ay galing pa sa OLD BARM kung saan siya din naman ang nakakatalakayan namin doon at puwede naman namin ituloy parin ito doon dahil exist po ang username namin.

So, Diyos din pala ninyo iyong nasa lumang tipan sa madaling salita ay tanggap ninyo din po iyong mga kautusan niya doon sa lumang tipan, tama po ba?

Ang paniniwala mo rin ba ay exist si Hesus doon sa lumang tipan, katulad ng mga ibang katoliko.

Bakit ko itinatanong kasi pagkumparahin din natin ang katuruan doon kumpara sa katuruan sa Islam, gamitin din natin iyong mga talatang ginamit ni father boutrous sa bibliya man o Quran.

Handa ka bang gawaan ko ng thread topic itong pag-uusapan natin para nasa ayos at i-request ko kay ADMIN na tayo lang ang mag-uusap at hindi puwedeng salihan ng iba tulad ni biblebot aka junny na nanggugulo lang.

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Post by adanedhel on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:49 am

OK pagawan na lang natin bro ng separate na thread para mas maayos pag-uusap natin. Thanks.
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Post by harballah on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:57 am

adanedhel wrote:OK pagawan na lang natin bro ng separate na thread para mas maayos pag-uusap natin. Thanks.

Anong title ng thread na ipagawa natin kung sakali at anong topic ang gagamitin natin ang nasa sinabi ba ni Father Boutros?

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Post by BibleBot on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:28 pm

Si Hesus walang sinabing "kung totoo" laging sigurado sa sinasabi.
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Post by adanedhel on Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:55 pm

I suggest the title yun pa rin "Comparison between God in Islam and Christianity", then re-post ko na lang yung write-up ni Father Boutros.
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Post by harballah on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:08 pm

adanedhel wrote:I suggest the title yun pa rin "Comparison between God in Islam and Christianity", then re-post ko na lang yung write-up ni Father Boutros.

Sige po kung iyan sa tingin mo ang magandang pag-uusapan, pero siguro naman ay nagkaliwanagan na tayo na tanggap mo iyong OT ay salita ng Diyos hindi po ba?

Mayroon pa pala akong tanong na nais i-clarify upang maging maganda ang kahahantungan ng pag-uusap natin at dito pa lang ay ma-plantsa na ang lahat.

Harballah wrote:Ang paniniwala mo rin ba ay exist si Hesus doon sa lumang tipan, katulad ng mga ibang katoliko.

Bakit ko itinatanong kasi pagkumparahin din natin ang katuruan doon kumpara sa katuruan sa Islam, gamitin din natin iyong mga talatang ginamit ni father boutrous sa bibliya man o Quran.

Paki-kumpirma narin iyan nasa REDMARK.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by adanedhel on Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:32 am

Bro Harballah,

Confirmed 'yan, na nag-exist talaga ang 2nd Person ng Holy Trinity all the time, pero wala pa Siyang Pangalan noong panahon ng OT, dahil nagkatawang tao lang Siya at pinangalanang Hesus 2010 years ago.
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Post by harballah on Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:19 am

adanedhel wrote:Bro Harballah,

Confirmed 'yan, na nag-exist talaga ang 2nd Person ng Holy Trinity all the time, pero wala pa Siyang Pangalan noong panahon ng OT, dahil nagkatawang tao lang Siya at pinangalanang Hesus 2010 years ago.

Thanks brad, siguro puwede na natin simulan ang talakayan natin.

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