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Post by RavlaM on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:36 pm

Powerful words....

read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Did Mohammad acquired the knowledge to read?
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Re: read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Post by harballah on Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:16 pm

O ano naman ang gusto mong malaman diyan, wala na bang bago ganyan din iyong sa OLD BARM

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Re: read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Post by Jewel on Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:08 am

RavlaM wrote:Powerful words....

read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Did Mohammad acquired the knowledge to read?

yan ang problema sa mga nagmamarunong sa Quran, ala naman palang ka-alam alam sa arabic kaya akala nya yung Iqra na translated as "read" akala nya magbasa ng written text heheheh

nakakahiya naman yan
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Post by RavlaM on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:38 am

Jewel wrote:

yan ang problema sa mga nagmamarunong sa Quran, ala naman palang ka-alam alam sa arabic kaya akala nya yung Iqra na translated as "read" akala nya magbasa ng written text heheheh

nakakahiya naman yan

Wala pong nagmamarunong dito, nagtatanong lamang po. Nakakahiya po ba ang binaggit ni angel jibreel (daw)
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Post by RavlaM on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:21 am

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=iqra
Word: Iqra
Meaning: Saying 'Iqra`' to someone is to order them to read. When Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was meditating in the cave of hiraa he was ordered to read by angel Jibraeel (Gabriel). Iqra` was the first word of the Quran that came upon the Prophet (SAW).
True Form: اقرء
Grammar: word;
Explanation The angel repeated the order: iqra! Read! as Muhammed explained he was unable to read, then Jibraeel said:
[96.1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
[96.2] He created man from a clot.
[96.3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
[96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen
[96.5] Taught man what he knew not.
These are the first verses of the Quran that came down to the Prophet. Surprising isn't it!





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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:20 pm

Natabunan na po ito..
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Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:34 pm

RavlaM wrote:Natabunan na po ito..

Kasi wala ng bago sa usapin na ito, dapat alamin mo muna kung mayroon bang binabasang aklat ang propheta kung bakit inisip mong basahin ang unawa mo dito.

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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:52 pm

harballah wrote:

Kasi wala ng bago sa usapin na ito, dapat alamin mo muna kung mayroon bang binabasang aklat ang propheta kung bakit inisip mong basahin ang unawa mo dito.

Inutusan siyan matutong bumasa...hehe palpak nga lang.
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Post by Jewel on Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:18 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Inutusan siyan matutong bumasa...hehe palpak nga lang.

Utak mo ang palpak, tagalog lang kasi alam mo, mangmang ka sa arabic kaya ala kang alam sa translations hehehehhe
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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:56 pm

Jewel wrote:

Utak mo ang palpak, tagalog lang kasi alam mo, mangmang ka sa arabic kaya ala kang alam sa translations hehehehhe

Ikaw yata ang hindi marunong..alam mo ba na sa islamic dictionary ko nakuha ang translation.

Kung gusto mo eh arabic na lang ang usapan dito..pero english letters para mabasa ng iba....kaya mo kaya?
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Post by Jewel on Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:15 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Ikaw yata ang hindi marunong..alam mo ba na sa islamic dictionary ko nakuha ang translation.

Kung gusto mo eh arabic na lang ang usapan dito..pero english letters para mabasa ng iba....kaya mo kaya?

Lumbas din na mahina ka nga kasi nakikipagtalo ka sa terminologies ng Quran samantalang dictionary ka lang pala umaasa hehheehehe

hindi dyan ang dapat mong puntahan malvar boy, kumunsulta ka sa arabic lexi at sa tafaseer ng quran para maintindihan mo ang boong meaning hehehhehe

IQRA means either READ or RECITE depending on the context. kaya kapag sinabi sayo na IQRA suratul fatiha bi kulli salah, ibig sabihin ay e-recite mo kasi hindi ka dapat magbasa ng libro sa salah.

Ang ibinigay sayo ng dictionary ay isang meaning lang ng Iqra kasi hindi naman tungkol sa quran ang binigyan ng definition nun hehhehe

oh ito basahin mo:


read

–verb (used with object)

1. to look at carefully so as to understand the meaning of (something written, printed, etc.): to read a book; to read music.



2. to utter aloud or render in speech : reading a story to his children; The actor read his lines in a booming voice.

kita mo na, dalawa ang meaning ng read kahit sa English language?


nagmamarunong ka kasi s ISlam mangmang ka naman
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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:32 pm

Ito po ang recite:

Yatloo on the other hand, means to Recite. That is to declaim words from memory.
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Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:55 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Inutusan siyan matutong bumasa...hehe palpak nga lang.

Hahamunin kita Ravlam na ipakita mo sa akin kung saan nagbasa ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) tutal hindi mo naman matanggap ang paliwanag at kahulugan na ibinigay ni jewel sa iyo.

Huwag mo kasing igaya sa bibliya mo na madaling bigyan ng interpretasyon kasi hindi naman orihinal na wika ang ginagamit ninyo kundi wikang english o tagalog na maski kami ay puwedeng malaman ang nasa bibliya ninyo Laughing


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Post by RavlaM on Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:15 am

harballah wrote:

Hahamunin kita Ravlam na ipakita mo sa akin kung saan nagbasa ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) tutal hindi mo naman matanggap ang paliwanag at kahulugan na ibinigay ni jewel sa iyo.

Huwag mo kasing igaya sa bibliya mo na madaling bigyan ng interpretasyon kasi hindi naman orihinal na wika ang ginagamit ninyo kundi wikang english o tagalog na maski kami ay puwedeng malaman ang nasa bibliya ninyo Laughing


Ang argumento dito ay natuto ba si mohammad magbasa matapos ng isang matinding utos ni angel jibreel(daw) na ginamit pa ang pangalan ng naglikha (daw) ng tao mula sa natuyong dugo...di ba dapat kung tama ang naalala ko eh sa dust?.

Hehehe may nagmagandang loob na nagbigay sa akin ng - reputation.
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Post by Jewel on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:31 am

RavlaM wrote:Ito po ang recite:

Yatloo on the other hand, means to Recite. That is to declaim words from memory.

Naku ipinagpipilitan pa talaga ang pagka mangmang kahit supalpal na - gusto palabasin na ang iqra sa arabic ay iisa lang ang meaning hehehhe

ang pagkakaintindi pala nya kung sasabihin sa kanya na iqra suratul fatiha bikulli salah ay magdala ng papel at basahin habang nagsasalah hehehhehe

hoy mangmang sa Islam hwag ka nang magmarunong mas lalo ka lang napapahiya
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Post by Jewel on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:33 am

RavlaM wrote:

Ang argumento dito ay natuto ba si mohammad magbasa matapos ng isang matinding utos ni angel jibreel(daw) na ginamit pa ang pangalan ng naglikha (daw) ng tao mula sa natuyong dugo...di ba dapat kung tama ang naalala ko eh sa dust?.

Hehehe may nagmagandang loob na nagbigay sa akin ng - reputation.


sobrang imggot ka na, basahin mo ang tafseer, basa nga ba o recite/proclaim? jejejeje
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Post by harballah on Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:07 am

RavlaM wrote:
Ang argumento dito ay natuto ba si mohammad magbasa matapos ng isang matinding utos ni angel jibreel(daw) na ginamit pa ang pangalan ng naglikha (daw) ng tao mula sa natuyong dugo...di ba dapat kung tama ang naalala ko eh sa dust?.

Hehehe may nagmagandang loob na nagbigay sa akin ng - reputation.

Iyong hamon ko sa inyo ay ito.

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Hahamunin kita Ravlam na ipakita mo sa akin kung saan nagbasa ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) tutal hindi mo naman matanggap ang paliwanag at kahulugan na ibinigay ni jewel sa iyo.

Huwag mo kasing igaya sa bibliya mo na madaling bigyan ng interpretasyon kasi hindi naman orihinal na wika ang ginagamit ninyo kundi wikang english o tagalog na maski kami ay puwedeng malaman ang nasa bibliya ninyo Laughing


Iyong pula ang hamon ko sa inyo, nasaan na iyong mga talata na nagbabasa siya kasi ako kaya kitang bigyan ng mga talata na siya ay bumibigkas (recite) kapag patungkol sa Quran, ikaw puro laway lang ba.

Iyong reputation mo ay baka galing sa taong hindi satisfy sa sagot mo, ako hindi ko na kailangan na bigyan ka kasi nakakaawa ka naman baka iyong WARNING LEVEL mo naman ang bawasan ng ADMIN.

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Post by RavlaM on Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:00 am

Hehehe itong dalawng ito eh kung ano ano ang pinagsasabi eh wala namang asim.

Eto matagal ko nang ipinoste dito hindi nyo manlang pinansin.

Sana maintindihan nino na sa islamic dictionary ko kinuha ito.

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=iqra
Word: Iqra
Meaning: Saying 'Iqra`' to someone is to order them to read. When Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was meditating in the cave of hiraa he was ordered to read by angel Jibraeel (Gabriel). Iqra` was the first word of the Quran that came upon the Prophet (SAW).
True Form: اقرء
Grammar: word;
Explanation The angel repeated the order: iqra! Read! as Muhammed explained he was unable to read, then Jibraeel said:
[96.1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
[96.2] He created man from a clot.
[96.3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
[96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen
[96.5] Taught man what he knew not.
These are the first verses of the Quran that came down to the Prophet. Surprising isn't it!
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Post by mspeed3 on Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:03 pm

wala nang maisip na bagong i atake sa islam kaya ayun wala na rin originality kaya lahat ng kalokohan sa OLD BARM forums dinadala dito..
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Post by RavlaM on Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:03 pm

mspeed3 wrote:wala nang maisip na bagong i atake sa islam kaya ayun wala na rin originality kaya lahat ng kalokohan sa OLD BARM forums dinadala dito..

Ows talaga!

Basahin mong maigi ang pinoste ko sa islamic dictionary yan!

Then followed by the clame that he created man from a clot.

And it said that the those words are the first verses of the quran that came down from the prophet.

Then why is it in 96.1
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Post by harballah on Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:03 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Ows talaga!

Basahin mong maigi ang pinoste ko sa islamic dictionary yan!

Then followed by the clame that he created man from a clot.

And it said that the those words are the first verses of the quran that came down from the prophet.

Then why is it in 96.1

Ang aral kasi namin ravlam ay hindi sa dictionary kinukuha kundi sa Quran at tafseer nito Twisted Evil


O baka nakalimutan mo na ang hamon ko sa inyo at mapanis ito.

harballah wrote:ipakita mo sa akin kung saan nagbasa ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh)

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Post by RavlaM on Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:19 pm

Hehehe nagpapataw ka ata harballah, un nga ang kapalpakan eh di natutong magbasa at sumulat si Mohammad.

Hehehe Akalain mo pinagmalaki pa na Si allah din ang nagturo ng pagsulat sa katauhan..96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen

Hindi nga makabasa eh sumulat pa kaya.

Hindi din yata nasagot ang mysterio kung bakit nasa chapter 96 ang unang mga salita na ibinigay daw kay mohammad.
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Post by harballah on Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:38 am

RavlaM wrote:Hehehe nagpapataw ka ata harballah, un nga ang kapalpakan eh di natutong magbasa at sumulat si Mohammad.

Hehehe Akalain mo pinagmalaki pa na Si allah din ang nagturo ng pagsulat sa katauhan..96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen

Hindi nga makabasa eh sumulat pa kaya.

Hindi din yata nasagot ang mysterio kung bakit nasa chapter 96 ang unang mga salita na ibinigay daw kay mohammad.

I hope na masagot mo muna iyong hinihingi ko kasi nasasayang lang ang paliwanag sa inyo.

In fact, ang linaw ang kapahayagan ng Allah kung sino ang prophetang unlettered.

"Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." ( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #157)


Kaya ravlam tanggapin mo man o hindi ay marami ka pang kakainin bigas bago ka bumanat sa amin dito

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:29 am

Wala pa talagang malinaw na kasagutan...

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=iqra
Word: Iqra
Meaning: Saying 'Iqra`' to someone is to order them to read. When Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was meditating in the cave of hiraa he was ordered to read by angel Jibraeel (Gabriel). Iqra` was the first word of the Quran that came upon the Prophet (SAW).
True Form: اقرء
Grammar: word;
Explanation The angel repeated the order: iqra! Read! as Muhammed explained he was unable to read, then Jibraeel said:
[96.1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
[96.2] He created man from a clot.
[96.3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
[96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen
[96.5] Taught man what he knew not.
These are the first verses of the Quran that came down to the Prophet. Surprising isn't it!
Ito ang mga unang salita na ibinaba daw kay mohammad.

Hindi po natutong magbasa si Mohammad, kahit na po ang kasunod na verse ay nagsambit ng kanyang naglikha.

At nagdagdag na na siyang nagturo sa sangkatauhan ng pagsulat ng lapis.
At siya din ang nagbigat ng lahat ng kaalaman ng bawat tao.

Hehehe di po natuto bumasa si mohammad....tila pumalpak ang angel jibreel daw.
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Post by Jewel on Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:16 am

RavlaM wrote:Wala pa talagang malinaw na kasagutan...











Ito ang mga unang salita na ibinaba daw kay mohammad.

Hindi po natutong magbasa si Mohammad, kahit na po ang kasunod na verse ay nagsambit ng kanyang naglikha.

At nagdagdag na na siyang nagturo sa sangkatauhan ng pagsulat ng lapis.
At siya din ang nagbigat ng lahat ng kaalaman ng bawat tao.

Hehehe di po natuto bumasa si mohammad....tila pumalpak ang angel jibreel daw.


kuya harby, di mo pa ba na-G ang punto ni Malvar??

Ang akala nya dun sa ayat na inutusan ni Malaikatu Jibreel si Propeta Muhammad s.a.w. pumunta kung saan saan para mag-aral kung papano bumasa ng sulat (text), at dahil nanatiling hindi marunong sumulat at bumasa ang Propeta kaya nya sinasabing palpak kasi hindi nasunod yung utos na magbasa sya ng sulat o text.

Yun ang pagkaintindi nya sa word na IQRA dun sa ayah hehehhehe

Tama ba Malvar?
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