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Post by RavlaM on Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:35 am

Natabunana na po ito.

Gusto pa po ba ninyong pagusapan ito?
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Re: read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Post by harballah on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:16 am

May tanong si jewel sa iyo diyan.

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kuya harby, di mo pa ba na-G ang punto ni Malvar??

Ang akala nya dun sa ayat na inutusan ni Malaikatu Jibreel si Propeta Muhammad s.a.w. pumunta kung saan saan para mag-aral kung papano bumasa ng sulat (text), at dahil nanatiling hindi marunong sumulat at bumasa ang Propeta kaya nya sinasabing palpak kasi hindi nasunod yung utos na magbasa sya ng sulat o text.

Yun ang pagkaintindi nya sa word na IQRA dun sa ayah hehehhehe

Tama ba Malvar?

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Post by harballah on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:17 am

ito naman iyon last post ko, naipakita mo na ba iyong nasa REDMARK.

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Hahamunin kita Ravlam na ipakita mo sa akin kung saan nagbasa ang propheta Muhammad (pbuh) tutal hindi mo naman matanggap ang paliwanag at kahulugan na ibinigay ni jewel sa iyo.

Huwag mo kasing igaya sa bibliya mo na madaling bigyan ng interpretasyon kasi hindi naman orihinal na wika ang ginagamit ninyo kundi wikang english o tagalog na maski kami ay puwedeng malaman ang nasa bibliya ninyo Laughing

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Post by RavlaM on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:50 am

harballah wrote:ito naman iyon last post ko, naipakita mo na ba iyong nasa REDMARK.


Tama po yan hindi po kailanman natutong bumasa o' sumulat si Mohammad.

Ibig sabihin po ay palpak ang hirit ni angel jibreel (daw) na makabasa si mahoma.

If you will notice pautos ang pagkasabi sa kanya...at ang kadugtong po ay isinaad pa ang maylikha ng sangkatauhan (daw)

Sa palagay ko po ay isa itong attempt na bigyang kaalaman bumasa si mohammad, nabanggit din po sa kasunod na talata ang tagabigay ng kaalaman ng bawat tao.
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Post by harballah on Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:17 am

RavlaM wrote:

Tama po yan hindi po kailanman natutong bumasa o' sumulat si Mohammad.

Ibig sabihin po ay palpak ang hirit ni angel jibreel (daw) na makabasa si mahoma.

If you will notice pautos ang pagkasabi sa kanya...at ang kadugtong po ay isinaad pa ang maylikha ng sangkatauhan (daw)

Sa palagay ko po ay isa itong attempt na bigyang kaalaman bumasa si mohammad, nabanggit din po sa kasunod na talata ang tagabigay ng kaalaman ng bawat tao.

Kitam hindi pala nagbabasa ang propheta pero bakit ipinagpilitan mo ang gusto mo na nagbasa siya diyan sa inilatag mo.

O ito regalo ko sa inyo para makita mo na tuwing dumarating ang Anghel Gabriel ay binibigkas lang ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was the most generous amongst the people, and he used to be more so in the month of Ramadan when gabriel visited him, and gabriel used to meet him on every night of Ramadan till the end of the month. The Prophet used to recite the Holy Qur'an to gabriel, and when gabriel met him, he used to be more generous than a fast wind (which causes rain and welfare). (Book #31, Hadith #126)


Sahih Muslim:


Ibn 'Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was the most generous of people in charity, but he was generous to the utmost in the month of Ramadan. gabriel (peace be upon him) would meet him every year during the month of Ramadin until it ended, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) recited to him the Qur'an; and when gabriel met him Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was most generous in giving charity like the blowing wind. (Book #030, Hadith #5718)



O ayan hindi po siya nagbabasa ng kabuuan ng Quran kundi binibigkas niya, hindi ba ikaw nandito sa Saudi Arabia, ano ba ang nakikita mo sa mga Imam tuwing nag-prayer kami, mayroon ba silang binabasang aklat ng Quran tongue

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Post by RavlaM on Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:30 pm

harballah wrote:

Kitam hindi pala nagbabasa ang propheta pero bakit ipinagpilitan mo ang gusto mo na nagbasa siya diyan sa inilatag mo.

O ito regalo ko sa inyo para makita mo na tuwing dumarating ang Anghel Gabriel ay binibigkas lang ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was the most generous amongst the people, and he used to be more so in the month of Ramadan when gabriel visited him, and gabriel used to meet him on every night of Ramadan till the end of the month. The Prophet used to recite the Holy Qur'an to gabriel, and when gabriel met him, he used to be more generous than a fast wind (which causes rain and welfare). (Book #31, Hadith #126)


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Ibn 'Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was the most generous of people in charity, but he was generous to the utmost in the month of Ramadan. gabriel (peace be upon him) would meet him every year during the month of Ramadin until it ended, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) recited to him the Qur'an; and when gabriel met him Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was most generous in giving charity like the blowing wind. (Book #030, Hadith #5718)



O ayan hindi po siya nagbabasa ng kabuuan ng Quran kundi binibigkas niya, hindi ba ikaw nandito sa Saudi Arabia, ano ba ang nakikita mo sa mga Imam tuwing nag-prayer kami, mayroon ba silang binabasang aklat ng Quran tongue

Hindi po ata ninyo alam kung ano ang pagkakaiba ng read at recite.
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mahilig kasing mag-interpretet ng kasulatan hindi man lang niya nabasa

Post by harballah on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:38 pm

RavlaM wrote:
Hindi po ata ninyo alam kung ano ang pagkakaiba ng read at recite.

Teka bakit ako ang sinasabihan mo ng hindi alam, ang linaw-linaw ng regalo ko sa iyo na ito with bold and underline kung saan binibigkas ng propheta ang nasa Quran at hindi niya binabasa lol!



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Kitam hindi pala nagbabasa ang propheta pero bakit ipinagpilitan mo ang gusto mo na nagbasa siya diyan sa inilatag mo.

O ito regalo ko sa inyo para makita mo na tuwing dumarating ang Anghel Gabriel ay binibigkas lang ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was the most generous amongst the people, and he used to be more so in the month of Ramadan when gabriel visited him, and gabriel used to meet him on every night of Ramadan till the end of the month. The Prophet used to recite the Holy Qur'an to gabriel, and when gabriel met him, he used to be more generous than a fast wind (which causes rain and welfare). (Book #31, Hadith #126)


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Ibn 'Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was the most generous of people in charity, but he was generous to the utmost in the month of Ramadan. gabriel (peace be upon him) would meet him every year during the month of Ramadin until it ended, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) recited to him the Qur'an; and when gabriel met him Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was most generous in giving charity like the blowing wind. (Book #030, Hadith #5718)



O ayan hindi po siya nagbabasa ng kabuuan ng Quran kundi binibigkas niya, hindi ba ikaw nandito sa Saudi Arabia, ano ba ang nakikita mo sa mga Imam tuwing nag-prayer kami, mayroon ba silang binabasang aklat ng Quran tongue

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Post by RavlaM on Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:20 pm

Word: Iqra
Meaning: Saying 'Iqra`' to someone is to order them to read. When Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was meditating in the cave of hiraa he was ordered to read by angel Jibraeel (Gabriel). Iqra` was the first word of the Quran that came upon the Prophet (SAW).
True Form: اقرء
Grammar: word;
Explanation The angel repeated the order: iqra! Read! as Muhammed explained he was unable to read, then Jibraeel said:
[96.1] Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
[96.2] He created man from a clot.
[96.3] Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
[96.4] Who taught (man to write) with the pen
[96.5] Taught man what he knew not.
These are the first verses of the Quran that came down to the Prophet. Surprising isn't it!

Clearly the word "read" was an attempt to give mohammad the knowledge to read. You will see the following verses stated that the word read came from the lord that created man, who taught man what he knew not.

Remember Mohammad knew not how to read.

Mukhang hindi po konektado ang mga verses na binanggit mo. Patunayan na lang po ninyo na konektado yan..para pong nakakita lang kayo ng "recite" eh isinalang na ninyo dito.
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Re: read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Post by harballah on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:03 am

Ravlam paulit-ulit ka lang naman diyan Rolling Eyes

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Kitam hindi pala nagbabasa ang propheta pero bakit ipinagpilitan mo ang gusto mo na nagbasa siya diyan sa inilatag mo.

O ito regalo ko sa inyo para makita mo na tuwing dumarating ang Anghel Gabriel ay binibigkas lang ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was the most generous amongst the people, and he used to be more so in the month of Ramadan when gabriel visited him, and gabriel used to meet him on every night of Ramadan till the end of the month. The Prophet used to recite the Holy Qur'an to gabriel, and when gabriel met him, he used to be more generous than a fast wind (which causes rain and welfare). (Book #31, Hadith #126)


Sahih Muslim:


Ibn 'Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was the most generous of people in charity, but he was generous to the utmost in the month of Ramadan. gabriel (peace be upon him) would meet him every year during the month of Ramadin until it ended, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) recited to him the Qur'an; and when gabriel met him Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was most generous in giving charity like the blowing wind. (Book #030, Hadith #5718)



O ayan hindi po siya nagbabasa ng kabuuan ng Quran kundi binibigkas niya, hindi ba ikaw nandito sa Saudi Arabia, ano ba ang nakikita mo sa mga Imam tuwing nag-prayer kami, mayroon ba silang binabasang aklat ng Quran tongue

Ayaw mo na bang pag-usapan ang bago at puro ka pabalik-balik lang No

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:01 am

harballah wrote:Ravlam paulit-ulit ka lang naman diyan Rolling Eyes



Ayaw mo na bang pag-usapan ang bago at puro ka pabalik-balik lang No

Wala pong kabuluhan ang mga inilatag ninyong verses kung hindi ninyo kayang ikabit sa verses na inilatag ko.
Sana po eh huwag po ninyo gamitan ng taktikang assignment. Cool
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Post by harballah on Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:44 am

RavlaM wrote:

Wala pong kabuluhan ang mga inilatag ninyong verses kung hindi ninyo kayang ikabit sa verses na inilatag ko.
Sana po eh huwag po ninyo gamitan ng taktikang assignment. Cool

Matanong kita, sino ba ang kasama ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh) ng ipahayag ang rebelasyon sa kanya, sige po tingnan natin kung walang kabuluhan ang inilatag ko na nais kung bigyan pansin mo.

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:19 am

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Matanong kita, sino ba ang kasama ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh) ng ipahayag ang rebelasyon sa kanya, sige po tingnan natin kung walang kabuluhan ang inilatag ko na nais kung bigyan pansin mo.

Sinasagot po ninyo ng tanong ang tanong ko...sana di papunta sa assignment tactic.
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Post by harballah on Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:56 am

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Sinasagot po ninyo ng tanong ang tanong ko...sana di papunta sa assignment tactic.

May sagot kasi kami at kami naman ang nagtatanong pero hindi mo na ito masagot, huwag naman puro salag lang kami dapat ikaw rin ay sumalag lang at huwag kang matakot na tamaan ka agad kasi talagang tatamaan ka ng mga tanong namin hehehe Twisted Evil

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Post by RavlaM on Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:19 am

Ipakita po ninyo ang kuniksyon ng talatang inilatag ninyo sa talatang inilatag ko.

Hindi naman po tama na maghagis kayo ng talata sa usapin at sabihing yan ang kasagutan. Sana po ay maipakita ninyo ang kadahilanan at kuniksyon ng dalawang talata.

Sana din po ay huwag po ninyong gamitan ng assignment tactic.
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Post by harballah on Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:51 pm

RavlaM wrote:Ipakita po ninyo ang kuniksyon ng talatang inilatag ninyo sa talatang inilatag ko.

Hindi naman po tama na maghagis kayo ng talata sa usapin at sabihing yan ang kasagutan. Sana po ay maipakita ninyo ang kadahilanan at kuniksyon ng dalawang talata.

Sana din po ay huwag po ninyong gamitan ng assignment tactic.

Hindi mo ba alam ang koneksiyon, iyong nagpakita kay Propheta Muhammad (pbuh) na nagdala ng kapahayagan mula sa Allah ay siya rin kausap niya tuwing Ramadan kung saan binibigkas niya ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Kitam! hindi kasi nagbabasa noong paskil ko at hindi gumagamit ng common sense at logic, lagi kasing idinadaan sa propaganda ang argumento. Twisted Evil

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:06 am

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Hindi mo ba alam ang koneksiyon, iyong nagpakita kay Propheta Muhammad (pbuh) na nagdala ng kapahayagan mula sa Allah ay siya rin kausap niya tuwing Ramadan kung saan binibigkas niya ang Quran at hindi po binabasa.

Kitam! hindi kasi nagbabasa noong paskil ko at hindi gumagamit ng common sense at logic, lagi kasing idinadaan sa propaganda ang argumento. Twisted Evil

So what is the connection? My verse talks about "read"

Your verses talk about "recite".

Walang direktang kunniksyon. Why didn't they use the word "recite" in the first verse. Why didnt they use "read" the second time around. This means recite and read are of different meaning.

Wala pong propaganda sa mga katuwiran ko.
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Post by harballah on Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:28 am

RavlaM wrote:

So what is the connection? My verse talks about "read"

Your verses talk about "recite".

Walang direktang kunniksyon. Why didn't they use the word "recite" in the first verse. Why didnt they use "read" the second time around. This means recite and read are of different meaning.

Wala pong propaganda sa mga katuwiran ko.


Matanong kita Ravlam sino iyong kausap ng propheta sa kuweba?

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:42 am

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Matanong kita Ravlam sino iyong kausap ng propheta sa kuweba?

Tama po kayo, si Mohammad at si angel jibreel(daw)

Napaka walang kuwentang argumento po naman na isipin natin na ang salitang "read" at "recite" ang palagi nilang pinaguusapan. Wink
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Post by harballah on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:08 am

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Tama po kayo, si Mohammad at si angel jibreel(daw)

Napaka walang kuwentang argumento po naman na isipin natin na ang salitang "read" at "recite" ang palagi nilang pinaguusapan. Wink

Thanks po sa sagot kahit mayroon kang agam-agam sa sagot mo, ngayon sino po iyong magkausap sa hadith na post ko.......

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:12 am

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Thanks po sa sagot kahit mayroon kang agam-agam sa sagot mo, ngayon sino po iyong magkausap sa hadith na post ko.......

Hahaha natawa naman ako sa iyo.
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Post by harballah on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:17 am

Huwag ka munang matawa kasi may tanong pa ako.

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:25 am

harballah wrote:Huwag ka munang matawa kasi may tanong pa ako.


Hahahahaha Gusto po ba ninyong tumbukin na sa magkaibang pagkakataon eh pareho silang naguusap.

O eh ano ngayoon? nakakita ka lang kasi ng "recite" eh pinagpipilitan mo na "read" din yon

So wala sa talata ang ebidens mo affraid Kundi kung sino ang naguusap lol! hahahaha
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Post by harballah on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:30 am

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Hahahahaha Gusto po ba ninyong tumbukin na sa magkaibang pagkakataon eh pareho silang naguusap.

O eh ano ngayoon? nakakita ka lang kasi ng "recite" eh pinagpipilitan mo na "read" din yon

So wala sa talata ang ebidens mo affraid Kundi kung sino ang naguusap lol! hahahaha

Kasi kung papaano niya ipinahayag iyong Quran ay ganoon din po niya ito pinabibigkas tuwing Ramadan, o ano na hindi ka parin satisfy.

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:38 am

Nakup! anong klaseng argumento po yan!
Malabo pa sa sarsa ng lechon ang sinasabi ninyo. lol!
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Re: read! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that exists).

Post by harballah on Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:07 am

RavlaM wrote:Nakup! anong klaseng argumento po yan!
Malabo pa sa sarsa ng lechon ang sinasabi ninyo. lol!

Bakit naman naging malabo sa inyo, hindi ba sabi mo si Propheta Muhammad (pbuh) at anghel gabriel ang nasa kuweba ng ipahayag ang rebelasyon, ngayon sila parin iyan nasa hadith na paskil ko kung saan pinabigkas parin ulit ng anghel gabriel kay Muhammad (pbuh) ang kapahayagan at hindi po pinabasa, ano ngayon ang malabo diyan lol!

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