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Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

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Post by RavlaM on Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:45 pm

Wala po akong pinapanigang relihyon, ngunit palaging sumasagi sa isipan ko kung bakit ang mga muslim ay palaging nauugnay sa terrorismo.
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by BibleBot on Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:42 pm

kasi po sinusunod lang nila ang turo sa koran
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Post by BibleBot on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:20 pm

tama po ba?
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:44 pm

Kaya po may terorista kasi akala nila ay makukuha nila ang atensiyon ng Amerika sa hinaing nila na makialam ang amerika sa pagpatay ng mga Israel sa Palestinians.

Mag-research kasi kayo kung saan iyan nag-ugat at hindi po puro haka-haka lang ang ipinapaskil ninyo.


Itong si Junny puro lang iyan post, pero kapag tinanong kung kaya niyang patunayan ay ngatal na sa takot.

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Post by RavlaM on Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:05 pm

harballah wrote:Kaya po may terorista kasi akala nila ay makukuha nila ang atensiyon ng Amerika sa hinaing nila na makialam ang amerika sa pagpatay ng mga Israel sa Palestinians.

Mag-research kasi kayo kung saan iyan nag-ugat at hindi po puro haka-haka lang ang ipinapaskil ninyo.


Itong si Junny puro lang iyan post, pero kapag tinanong kung kaya niyang patunayan ay ngatal na sa takot.

Pero di lamang po sa amerika ang ginugulo ng mga terroristang muslim. At bakit naman nila isinisigaw ang takbir kagaya sa abusayyaf...

Hindi po haka-haka ang pagkakaroon ng mga islamic terrorists, katunayan po eh binago po ang security levels ng magkaroon ng mga terroristang mga yan..


Gets mo! ----- Nasa turo yan di ba?
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Post by harballah on Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:09 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Pero di lamang po sa amerika ang ginugulo ng mga terroristang muslim. At bakit naman nila isinisigaw ang takbir kagaya sa abusayyaf...

Hindi po haka-haka ang pagkakaroon ng mga islamic terrorists, katunayan po eh binago po ang security levels ng magkaroon ng mga terroristang mga yan..


Gets mo! ----- Nasa turo yan di ba?

Subukan mong mag-research kung saan nagmula at kung lumaki na ang mga teroristang ito ay sapagkat sa lahat ng bansa ay mayroon amerikano na sa tingin nila ay kalaban nila.

Ngayon puwede na ba akong magtanong din sa inyo tutal sinasagot ko naman ang tanong ninyo hindi ba.

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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:03 am

harballah wrote:

Subukan mong mag-research kung saan nagmula at kung lumaki na ang mga teroristang ito ay sapagkat sa lahat ng bansa ay mayroon amerikano na sa tingin nila ay kalaban nila.

Ngayon puwede na ba akong magtanong din sa inyo tutal sinasagot ko naman ang tanong ninyo hindi ba.

Ano naman po ang masasabi mo sa sinabi ng kaibigan mong si biblebot na turo daw sa quran ang ugat ng pagkaroon ng mga terroristang muslim.
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Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:08 am

RavlaM wrote:

Ano naman po ang masasabi mo sa sinabi ng kaibigan mong si biblebot na turo daw sa quran ang ugat ng pagkaroon ng mga terroristang muslim.

Naku si botbot may sariling aral iyan tulad mo rin Laughing

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Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:08 am

RavlaM wrote:

Ano naman po ang masasabi mo sa sinabi ng kaibigan mong si biblebot na turo daw sa quran ang ugat ng pagkaroon ng mga terroristang muslim.

Naku si botbot may sariling aral iyan tulad mo rin Laughing

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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:57 am

Isa ka din sa ebidens na favorite talaga ng panginoon mo ang giyera...


Harb (war) + allah = Harballah

O di ba!

Get's mo! nasa turo yan di ba!
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Post by mspeed3 on Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:04 pm

RavlaM wrote:Wala po akong pinapanigang relihyon, ngunit palaging sumasagi sa isipan ko kung bakit ang mga muslim ay palaging nauugnay sa terrorismo.

kasi anti-muslim ka.. maitim na puso mo

pero bakit ayaw mo magbasa ng mga newspaper araw araw may crimen tapos bawat isang criminal tingnan mo religion nila bilangin mo ung muslim at christiano.

bakit ayaw mo magbasa ng history books tingnan mo kung sino ang nagpasimuno ng world war 1 and 2. ilan ang napatay nung panahon ng mga crusades sa gitnang silangan.
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:31 pm

RavlaM wrote:Isa ka din sa ebidens na favorite talaga ng panginoon mo ang giyera...


Harb (war) + allah = Harballah

O di ba!

Get's mo! nasa turo yan di ba!


Nakakatuwa ka naman ravlam kasi wala ka ng maisagot sa post ko kaya sa username ko na lang ikaw nagtitiyaga, o sige patulan ko kababawan mo.

Alam mo ba kung bakit nilagay ko ang HARB bilang username, sapagkat ang giyera sa talakayan ko dito ay laban sa mga makitid ang utak na tulad ng ilan dito, sila ang mga taong nagkakalat ng propaganda laban sa Allah.

Gets mo na.


Anyway, may thread ako sa OLD BARM baka gusto mong magkomento doon sa sinabi mong walang teroristang kristiyano, punta ka na lang dito.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=50571

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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:54 pm

mspeed3 wrote:

kasi anti-muslim ka.. maitim na puso mo

pero bakit ayaw mo magbasa ng mga newspaper araw araw may crimen tapos bawat isang criminal tingnan mo religion nila bilangin mo ung muslim at christiano.

bakit ayaw mo magbasa ng history books tingnan mo kung sino ang nagpasimuno ng world war 1 and 2. ilan ang napatay nung panahon ng mga crusades sa gitnang silangan.

Alam mo Speed, ang ginagawa nga mga sinasagi mo ay labas sa pananampalataya nila...

Di gay ng islam eh ang quran ang pinagugatan.
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Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:07 pm

harballah wrote:


Nakakatuwa ka naman ravlam kasi wala ka ng maisagot sa post ko kaya sa username ko na lang ikaw nagtitiyaga, o sige patulan ko kababawan mo.

Alam mo ba kung bakit nilagay ko ang HARB bilang username, sapagkat ang giyera sa talakayan ko dito ay laban sa mga makitid ang utak na tulad ng ilan dito, sila ang mga taong nagkakalat ng propaganda laban sa Allah.

Gets mo na.


Anyway, may thread ako sa OLD BARM baka gusto mong magkomento doon sa sinabi mong walang teroristang kristiyano, punta ka na lang dito.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=50571

Natatawa talaga ako sa inyo...ang thread ay ginawa upang malaman kung bakit may mga islamic terrorist.

Sa tingin ninyo ito ba ang dahilan?



The Quran:


Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah." According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (8:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story, which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source, tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who don't act like Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you," This very important verse asserts that the Religion of Peace is not to grant peace to the broader society until Islamic rule has been established.

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed!

Quran (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.


From the Hadith:


Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:39 pm

O dito ka naman nagkalat pero hindi mo rin masagot iyong nasa OLD BARM.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showpost.php?p=836411&postcount=28


Ito gumagamit din sa bibliya kung saan sabi mo ay walang kristiyanong terorista.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?p=837834&posted=1#post837834

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by RavlaM on Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:43 pm

Tila umiiwas kang talakayin ang paksa ng sinulid na ito.
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:57 pm

RavlaM wrote:Tila umiiwas kang talakayin ang paksa ng sinulid na ito.

Sigurado ka bang umiwas ako o ikaw itong biglang nagpaskil ng mga talata na hindi mo naman kayang tindigan tulad nito.

harballah wrote:

O dito ka naman nagkalat pero hindi mo rin masagot iyong nasa OLD BARM.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showpost.php?p=836411&postcount=28


Ito gumagamit din sa bibliya kung saan sabi mo ay walang kristiyanong terorista.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?p=837834&posted=1#post837834

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:58 pm

Ito naman iyong sagot ko dito sa basurang thread ninyo, mapagbigay kasi ako iyon nga lang hindi ninyo matanggap ang sagot ko.

harballah wrote:Kaya po may terorista kasi akala nila ay makukuha nila ang atensiyon ng Amerika sa hinaing nila na makialam ang amerika sa pagpatay ng mga Israel sa Palestinians.

Mag-research kasi kayo kung saan iyan nag-ugat at hindi po puro haka-haka lang ang ipinapaskil ninyo.


Itong si Junny puro lang iyan post, pero kapag tinanong kung kaya niyang patunayan ay ngatal na sa takot.

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by RavlaM on Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:05 am

harballah wrote:Ito naman iyong sagot ko dito sa basurang thread ninyo, mapagbigay kasi ako iyon nga lang hindi ninyo matanggap ang sagot ko.


Bakit naman nila kailangng makuha ang attention ng america?

Di ba maging sa ibang bansa a may islamic terrorists? Tulad ng Laskar Jihad.

Laskar Jihad (from Indonesian, literally Army of Jihad), is an Islamist anti-Christian militia in Indonesia formed in 2000 by Jafar Umar Thalib, who studied in Pakistan and fought with the mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the late 1980s.[1]

Laskar Jihad first emerged on Ambon, Maluku (Moluccan Islands). Between May 2000 to December 2001, an estimated 10,000 people were killed and hundreds of thousands had to flee their towns as Laskar Jihad burnt down churches and houses of the indigenous Melanesian communities on Ambon and other Moluccan islands. Attacks were later also launched against Christian communities in Sulawesi. A video of the group being welcomed to Ambon by Indonesian authorities was later joined by allegations of murder, torture, forced conversion to Islam, and forced circumcision. During 2001 and 2002, Laskar Jihad began to expand its activities sending militants to the provinces of Aceh and Papua, at opposite ends of the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laskar_Jihad
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:24 am

Ito ang hirap sa mga taong hilig magpatintero sa dalawang sites, ito na po iyong sagot ko doon sa OLD BARM.

http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showpost.php?p=837994&postcount=45

Tutal cut and paste lang naman iyan Laughing


Panoorin mo iyong bidyo doon, tingnan mo kung papaano kakatayin ang mga bata at matanda doon.

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by BibleBot on Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:05 am

Rav pansin mo ba laging sinasangkalan ni harballah na me kristyano din daw na terrorista? totoo ba yun? kung me mga christian man na terrorista ayun sa kanya eh ano po ba ang pagkakaiba ng terrorista na christian kesa sa muslim?
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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by enghelee10 on Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:22 am

harballah wrote:Kaya po may terorista kasi akala nila ay makukuha nila ang atensiyon ng Amerika sa hinaing nila na makialam ang amerika sa pagpatay ng mga Israel sa Palestinians.

Mag-research kasi kayo kung saan iyan nag-ugat at hindi po puro haka-haka lang ang ipinapaskil ninyo.


Itong si Junny puro lang iyan post, pero kapag tinanong kung kaya niyang patunayan ay ngatal na sa takot.

Kaibigan bakit kailangan pa nilang idaan sa terrorism?

Hindi ba pagpatay sa kapwa yan?

Hindi ba turo ng Qran yan?

Gusto ko malaman ang sagot nyo mga muslim dito para mabigyan ako ng linaw.. Nakakaintindi naman po ako mga kaibigan gusto ko lang mabigyang linaw ang mga ginagawa ng muslim lalo nat sikat kayo pagdating sa terorism..

Salamat po

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:10 pm

BibleBot wrote:Rav pansin mo ba laging sinasangkalan ni harballah na me kristyano din daw na terrorista? totoo ba yun?

Naku mabuti napansin mo iyan biblebot, si Ravlam ang maysabing wala daw kristiyanong terorista kaya nga ipinakita ko iyan kasi ang nasasabi lang niya ay ang terorista lamang ay Muslim.

Ito po ang link ng usapin namin at baka gusto mong mag-join doon tutal member ka naman doon hindi ba.


http://www.thebereans.net/forum2/showthread.php?t=50571

Ito ang sabi ni ravlam doon.

RavlaM wrote:Wala kang makikitang terroristang kristiyano


Ngayon ang sabi mo ay anong pagkakaiba ng kristiyanong terorista at Muslim na terorista.

BibleBot wrote: kung me mga christian man na terrorista ayun sa kanya eh ano po ba ang pagkakaiba ng terrorista na christian kesa sa muslim?

pareho lang sila na ginagamit ang relihiyon sa pansariling interes, walang pagkakaiba at sana iyon ang itatak ninyo sa mga utak ninyo.

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COMMON SENSE WITH LOGIC

Post by harballah on Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:23 pm

enghelee10 wrote:

Kaibigan bakit kailangan pa nilang idaan sa terrorism?

Hindi ko alam kung bakit kailangan na idaan nila sa terorism kasi kung pagbabatayan ang sabi ng Allah ay hindi po niyang sinabing pumatay sila ng mga inosenteng buhay.

5:9. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

Iyan ang sinusunod ng maraming Muslim at hindi iyon sinusunod ng mga terorista na basi sa kapahayagan ng Allah ay ganito.

2:208 You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan. He is an outright enemy to you.

Ang sinusunod ng mga terorista ay si Satanas at hindi ang Allah, sapagkat kami ay naniniwala na hindi makatao o maka-diyos ang pagpatay ng walang dahilan.


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Hindi ba pagpatay sa kapwa yan?

Pakita mo kung saan itinuro sa Quran ang pagpatay sa kapwa, kasi ako naglatag ako ng quran verse para hindi mo masabing haka-haka lamang ang sagot ko.


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Hindi ba turo ng Qran yan?

Ipakita mo ang turo sa Quran at kung papayag ka ay dalhin natin sa debate para maganda ang kalalabasan ng usapin natin, mahirap iyong aral namin sa Islam ay ginagawa ninyo ng sariling interpretasyon.


enghelee10 wrote:
Gusto ko malaman ang sagot nyo mga muslim dito para mabigyan ako ng linaw.. Nakakaintindi naman po ako mga kaibigan gusto ko lang mabigyang linaw ang mga ginagawa ng muslim lalo nat sikat kayo pagdating sa terorism..

Salamat po

Eikichi aka enghelee

Nasagot ko na ang lahat kaibigan at para dagdagan ito ay ganito ang sabi ng Allah sa banal na Quran.


60:7. It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

60:8. Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9. Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes,
and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong


Malinaw din na nai-detalye ng Allah subhana wa taalah na mayroon mga ilang tao na puwedeng maakit ng mga teroristang ito.


3:117. What they spend in the life of this (material) world May be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls: it is not Allah that hath wronged them, but they wrong themselves.

3:118. O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.



Ngayon brad, handa ka bang idaan natin sa debate ang problema mo sa Islam ?

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Re: Bakit may mga terroristang muslim?

Post by enghelee10 on Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:32 pm

Hindi na kaibigan ang sa inyo ay sa inyong relihiyon dahil sa inyo may sarili kayo at nirerespeto ko iyon...

Ang sa akin ay sa akin dahil ang aming relihiyon ay binababoy ni satanas ng ibat ibang secta ng kristyanismo...

Gusto ko lang mabigyang linaw ang mga bagay na nakikita ko at naririnig ko at natutuklasan ko sa inyo ng sa gayon ay magkaroon ako ng bukas na isip hingil sa inyong relihiyon at isa na ito sa mga natuklasan ko.. maraming salamat kaibigan sa bibigay linaw sa aking kaisipan...

Ako ay wala naman nalalaman at hindi nakakabasa ng Banal na Koran kung kayat itoy sinisiyasat ko sa pagtatanong ko sa inyo.. Sa ngayon ay ito lang muna ang maitatanong ko sa inyo... maraming salamat...
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