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Post by Brother on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:44 pm

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sino ang dapat magturo? Papayag ka bang ibang magturo sa iyong anak? Lalo na nakataya rin ang "values"(kabutihang asal) at moralidad ng bata. At kung hindi mo rin nasusubaybayan ang bata palagay mo ba makakatulong ang sex ed "when it comes to good morals and value of a child"?

Sino po ba ang nag aral ng tungkol sa sekswalidad? di po ba ang mga guro? pano kung yung magulang mo ay di marunong sa sekswalidad?
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Post by bench on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:46 pm

ako against din ako sa sex education na yan ng deped. risky yan para sa mga bata. dapat ang mga magulang ang turuan ng deped, then ang mga magulang ang magturo sa kanilang mga anak.

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Post by Brother on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:47 pm

bench wrote:ako against din ako sa sex education na yan ng deped. risky yan para sa mga bata. dapat ang mga magulang ang turuan ng deped, then ang mga magulang ang magturo sa kanilang mga anak.

lahat ba ng magulang nagtapos sa edukasyon?
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Post by Esther on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:47 pm

bench wrote:ako against din ako sa sex education na yan ng deped. risky yan para sa mga bata. dapat ang mga magulang ang turuan ng deped, then ang mga magulang ang magturo sa kanilang mga anak.

thank you bench my heart goes to you.

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Post by bench on Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:52 pm

we are on the same boat for that subject esther.

kasi yan talaga ang nararapat para sa mga anak.

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Post by korrill on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:40 pm

Esther wrote:For starters you are welcome to review the previous post.

It says the Un - backed :

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exact quote: from Yidda here is it.
This UN-backed sex- ed in the Phillipines usurping the role of religion in teaching morality. Kids 5 to 8 years old would be taught: "Many different kinds of families exist around the world (e.g. two-parent, single parent, child-headed, guardian-headed, extended and nuclear families, same-sex couple parents, etc.)"

All children would be taught that all families should have "gender equality", in other words a concept of family that does not give different roles based on gender.

kid 9 to 12 would be taught about "homophobia" and "transphobia".

It is very clear that this set of teachings seeks to teach children that immoral sexual acts are moral, that no differences in roles should be based on gender, and that thinking otherwise is wrong (a phobia or a type of discrimination, or a root of violence)


She's clearly speaking of the effect of the UN backed program and the teaching will lead to or seeks to immorality. She identify the problem which will the program will lead. Quoting several sentences may put you out of context. You can state your case in a paragraph. instead of quoting every sentence of the poster. The " in red " are from UN

Your so persistance on determining the background of everyone of us with regards to sex-ed, don't tell me being that those who are here, who does have limited knowledge of reproductive educ, are not qualified to explain why is it wrong. What is morality to you?

We do not intend to go far when it comes to sex ed. Our stand it must not be implemented. We learn in our curriculum the academic reproductive system. But on this on how one acquired Aids or unwanted pregnancy etc.. and the solution is sex-ed. I believe it is wrong, it comes the parental issue which you see. You should be happy for identiying it sir.

I didn't miss that. But my questions still stand:

Where in sex education is that taught?

Why is teaching sex education (in school) immoral?

Here's something to get us on the same page:

Do you know what will actually be taught to the children?

I do resent being accused of acting high-and-mighty, though. Afterall, I'm not the kind of person who spouts such statements as this:

Esther wrote:regarding your disscussion with Yidda, she best knows more than you in terms of reproductive system. She a graduate of practical nursing knows that. And I believe she responded to you and Ateo ethically. She doesn't need to enumerate each part of the reproductive organ( like ateo does) to prove she knows what scholastic and this proposed UN backed sex-ed is all about.
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Post by harballah on Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:05 pm

Brother wrote:Sino po ba ang nag aral ng tungkol sa sekswalidad? di po ba ang mga guro? pano kung yung magulang mo ay di marunong sa sekswalidad?

Bakit brother pinag-aaralan ba ang sekswalidad, bakit ako napag-alaman ko na iyan noong ako ay magbinata na walang gabay o hindi man lang itinuro sa akin sa eskuwelahan.

Alam mo ba ang usapin ay ang maagang pagturo sa mga nasa murang edad kung saan paglalaro lang ang unang kanilang natutunan, hindi kaya mas maganda ay pag-igtingin pa ng gobyerno ang pagbabawal ng babasahing sekswal at porno movie and sites, iyan kasi ang unang dahilan kung bakit ang isang bata ay maagang natuto sa sex at nagiging dahilan kung bakit napapaaga ang kanilang kaalaman sa sex, hindi mo na kailangan na ituro pa sa eskuwelahan ang sex dahil puwede naman gabayan ng magulang ang kanilang mga anak patungkol diyan.

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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:12 pm

Esther wrote:

sino ang dapat magturo? Papayag ka bang ibang magturo sa iyong anak? Lalo na nakataya rin ang "values"(kabutihang asal) at moralidad ng bata. At kung hindi mo rin nasusubaybayan ang bata palagay mo ba makakatulong ang sex ed "when it comes to good morals and value of a child"?

Dyan na papasok ang pag gabay ng mga Churches at other Moral Institutions. They will 'assist' with the SexEd. Hindi naman porke't may SexEd sa schools ay dapat echapwera na ang mga Churches on their teachings.

The schools AND the churches should work hand-in-hand on this. It's not an 'Either-Or' situation. This is not a contest. Smile
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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:18 pm

harballah wrote:

Bakit brother pinag-aaralan ba ang sekswalidad, bakit ako napag-alaman ko na iyan noong ako ay magbinata na walang gabay o hindi man lang itinuro sa akin sa eskuwelahan.

Alam mo ba ang usapin ay ang maagang pagturo sa mga nasa murang edad kung saan paglalaro lang ang unang kanilang natutunan, hindi kaya mas maganda ay pag-igtingin pa ng gobyerno ang pagbabawal ng babasahing sekswal at porno movie and sites, iyan kasi ang unang dahilan kung bakit ang isang bata ay maagang natuto sa sex at nagiging dahilan kung bakit napapaaga ang kanilang kaalaman sa sex, hindi mo na kailangan na ituro pa sa eskuwelahan ang sex dahil puwede naman gabayan ng magulang ang kanilang mga anak patungkol diyan.

Yun na nga ang hirap, kahit naglalaro ang mga bata ay minsan nakaka kuha sila ng copy ng Hustler Magazines. At minsan mga telenovelas at movies may 'sex' ang theme, at malayang nakikita ito ng mga kids. Mahirap maiwasan ang mga ito in this day and age. Kaya dapat, equip na natin sila against the 'wrongs' of this subject.

Parang ginagawa ng Bereans, ine-'equip' ang mga Christians to be aware of Cults. Ganun din ang intention ng DepED. Razz
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Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:31 pm

Sex ed para maging aware ang mga bata kung ano ang silbi ng condom at kung anu-ano pang mga contraceptives?

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Post by Dhugz on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:41 pm

Pwede Fred.
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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:42 pm

fredms3 wrote:Sex ed para maging aware ang mga bata kung ano ang silbi ng condom at kung anu-ano pang mga contraceptives?

In the news we've seen 9 year old kids are capable of having sex with 5 year olds. For them, maybe not yet, but they sure could use the knowledge when they reach their teens. But not unless their parents are capable of teaching them about the 'proper' ways. But last time i checked, not all parents give a hoot about what their kids do. Smile
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Post by Esther on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:52 pm

korrill wrote:

I didn't miss that. But my questions still stand:

Where in sex education is that taught?

Why is teaching sex education (in school) immoral?

Here's something to get us on the same page:

Do you know what will actually be taught to the children?

I do resent being accused of acting high-and-mighty, though. Afterall, I'm not the kind of person who spouts such statements as this:

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where in sex ed taught that?

ans.
actually it is the UN who imposed those supposed to be guidelines or what should be the {youngs should be aware of}. the one quoted by Yidda which I think she has forgot to paste the link(see the link on CNN report on my post above). That is why there is a little confusion on your conversion. In that she commented on that teachings which she directly pointed("seeks to teach" word of her) the harm on morals that would probably brings to us by that UN sex ed prog. regarding your word "may lead" to I said that. She uses it too when it comes too this Proposal sex-ed because it is on the future tense. Then some of your quoted sentences on her are out of context.

Now in our case, dep ed is in favor of this UN sex - ed. Thinking if they enhance and format the teaching will avoid immorality.
Since we know what morality is:
1. why is this prog needs to be launch.
ans. UN - rising prob on HIV - unwanted pregnancy etc...

2. what are the causes - premarital sex extramarital sex, unnatural sex etc..


3. Solution - UN says they should be educated in reproductive health, solution to HIV is what then? condoms etc... how about unwanted pregnancy ... contraceptives.

these things are immoral of course ! but maybe to you sir Subjective morality: one is immoral the other one (contaceptive) is not.

The probable proposal of Dep ed is to avoid those - condom issue contraceptives etc... in order for it to be accepted. But does it address the real root of the problem will it not lead to worst? Will it not destroy childrens moral values since sex ed is a sensitive issue and we are dealing with children.

Let's take a look again:

Problem HIV unwanted preg. prob.

Causes: premarital sex extramarital sex, unnatural sex etc..
what are these? - immoral sexual acts.

why did they learn this? who guided them - Parental issue isn't it.

Solution : teach the children and protect them. Effective parenting is the best not effective sex -ed.

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Why is teaching sex education (in school) immoral?


ans. I will pawn Yidda's answer on this: No one said that the scholastic curriculum is immoral however this incoming educ. on sex may lead to immorality since we are dealing here to solve the problem on HIV etc.. caused by immoral acts. Clearly the sex- ed is technical solution which does not address the root of the problem.
Education teaches but not all education are good.
When you have an internet at home that is good - it can help the childrens assignment, this is good educ. but we know that there are also web that are not good for children( a bad educ.) Now as a parent will you allow your child to freely access the internet?

Will you allow this sex - ed in school which tackles primarily tackles those problem caused by immorality? Who is the good counselor in morality? of course the one who protects you : parents and the church.

Question

Do you know what will actually be taught to the children?

ans.of course like Yidda told you:

I will not gamble the morals of the children into which there is uncertainty. In short I don't play the russian roullette for the children. Given those above information will you gamble the future of your children.

korril,

I am not here to argue on your stand. But those are the things I believe to be clear.

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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:00 pm

Quote from Esther: Solution : teach the children and protect them. Effective parenting is the best not effective sex -ed.

Can effective parenting via Churches methods be done, realistically speaking? Smile Considering that the Churches have been around for a long time to have instilled in the minds of the people the 'proper' ways re: sex education?
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Post by Esther on Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:05 pm

element_115x wrote:

Dyan na papasok ang pag gabay ng mga Churches at other Moral Institutions. They will 'assist' with the SexEd. Hindi naman porke't may SexEd sa schools ay dapat echapwera na ang mga Churches on their teachings.

The schools AND the churches should work hand-in-hand on this. It's not an 'Either-Or' situation. This is not a contest. Smile

That is a probable better solution.

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Post by Esther on Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:09 pm

element_115x wrote:Quote from Esther: Solution : teach the children and protect them. Effective parenting is the best not effective sex -ed.

Can effective parenting via Churches methods be done, realistically speaking? Smile Considering that the Churches have been around for a long time to have instilled in the minds of the people the 'proper' ways re: sex education?

here comes then the teaching of the church, a good christian probbaly will not meet those problem. So there is a teaching on morality. But not everybody listen not everybody follow what church teaches. So Dep ed step in . bringing tech solution. Is exactly the argument.

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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:16 pm

Esther wrote:

here comes then the teaching of the church, a good christian probbaly will not meet those problem. So there is a teaching on morality. But not everybody listen not everybody follow what church teaches. So Dep ed step in . bringing tech solution. Is exactly the argument.

So you agree then with the alternative being offered by DepEd?

That is, if 3 out of 10 parents listens to the Church (no problem there), then the remaining 7 out of 10 people who don't listen to the Church should be dealt with by the DepEd? Smile
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Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:31 pm

element_115x wrote:

In the news we've seen 9 year old kids are capable of having sex with 5 year olds. For them, maybe not yet, but they sure could use the knowledge when they reach their teens. But not unless their parents are capable of teaching them about the 'proper' ways. But last time i checked, not all parents give a hoot about what their kids do.

Grabe yan ano bro, 9 years old and below having sex!

Actually sa parents na walang pakialam sa kanilang mga anak physically, emotionally at spiritually ay walang silbi ang sex ed ng kung anu-anong institution. Everything begins in the family.

Corruption begins in the smallest unit of society---family.


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Post by element_115x on Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:32 pm

fredms3 wrote:

Grabe yan ano bro, 9 years old and below having sex!

Actually sa parents na walang pakialam sa kanilang mga anak ay physically, emotionally at spiritually ay walang silbi ang sex ed ng kung anu-anong institution. Everything begins in the family.

Corruption begins in the smallest unit of society---family.

Yes, shocking to watch the news about kids raping kids! Yet such incidences really happen. Perhaps this is a wake-up call for all moral institutions to get their acts together and focus more on values formation -- not only with regards to parental issues, but with other moral issues as well, like in how our politicians and businessmen behave. drunken
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Post by harballah on Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:15 pm

element_115x wrote:

Yun na nga ang hirap, kahit naglalaro ang mga bata ay minsan nakaka kuha sila ng copy ng Hustler Magazines. At minsan mga telenovelas at movies may 'sex' ang theme, at malayang nakikita ito ng mga kids. Mahirap maiwasan ang mga ito in this day and age. Kaya dapat, equip na natin sila against the 'wrongs' of this subject.

Parang ginagawa ng Bereans, ine-'equip' ang mga Christians to be aware of Cults. Ganun din ang intention ng DepED.

Iyon nga ang problema brad kasi nagkakalat ang mga ito at allowed pa sa gobyerno, hindi ko sinasabing kayang sawatahin ang mga ito ngunit kung ipinagbabawal ang mga ito ay kahit papaano ay mababawasan ang mga batang nagkakaroon ng pananaw sa sex, minsan nga ay mayroon kabataan na sinubukan manood ng porno sex kung saan mayroon silang kaibigan na batang babae, alam mo ba ang ginawa nila ay ginaya ito at ginahasa ang kaibigan nilang bata, ano ba ang parusa sa mga batang lalaki wala po kasi nga daw menor de edad sila, ngayon ano na ang katarungan na makakamtan noong batang biktima. Sino ngayon ang dapat sisihin ang magulang ba o ang nagkakalat na kalaswaan na maski sa bangketa ay puwedeng mabili ng mga bata kasi ultimong diyaryo ay mayroon malalaswang larawan na nandoon.

Again, hindi solusyon ang SEX EDUCATION sa mga bata kundi ang solusyon ay ipagbawal ang mga malalaswang larawan at porno video, patawan ng mabigat na parusa ang gumagawa nito.

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Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:26 pm

Ang masakit dito ay ang government mismo ay nagagamit ng mga malalaking kompanya para sa kanilang mga produkto, let's say condom, pills etc... --- well, for tax reasons! Wow naman!

Even the Media is now being used by this unscrupulous companies to promote their products to the detriment of the Filipino people from all walks of life.

What else can we say? Sex ed --- di kailangan yan.

Let the parents take the full responsibility sa kanilang mga anak sa ganyang mga bagay and let the gov't do their part in eradicating porno, sex videos etc.

Kung yan ay di kayang gawin ng gov't then ala silang karapatan na magsabi na kami ang magtuturo sa mga bata ng sex-ed.

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Post by korrill on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:32 pm

Esther wrote:ans. actually it
is the UN who imposed those supposed to be guidelines or what should be
the {youngs should be aware of}. the one quoted by Yidda which I think she has
forgot to paste the link(see the link on CNN report on my post above).

First off, the UNESCO's International Guidelines on Sexuality Education is not
mandatory. It is still up to the country adopting it to formulate just
how much they would adopt from the report. As stated (vaguely, I might
add) on the third page of the report:

The designations employed and the presentation of materials throughout
this document do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part
of UNESCO concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or
area or its authorities, or concerning its frontiers and boundaries.

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0018/001832/183281e.pdf

A little note, though. The link you provided was referring to an early
draft (I think). Certain recommendations have been modified or removed in
the final copy.

Esther wrote:That is why there is a little confusion on your
conversion. In that she commented on that teachings which she directly
pointed("seeks to teach" word of her) the harm on morals that would
probably brings to us by that UN sex ed prog. regarding your word "may
lead" to I said that. She uses it too when it comes too this Proposal
sex-ed because it is on the future tense. Then some of your quoted sentences on
her are out of context.

There is a big difference between the phrase "seeks to teach"
and "may lead to." The first is a direct statement, the
second is a probability opinion. If she used the latter, she would see a
different response from me.

And her statement which I questioned states "seeks to teach children
that immoral sexual acts are moral
."

So I ask: Where in sex education is that taught? That still
goes even if the reference is the UNESCO guidelines.

Esther wrote:Now in our case, dep ed is in favor of this UN sex -
ed. Thinking if they enhance and format the teaching will avoid immorality.
Since we know what morality is:
1. why is this prog needs to be launch.
ans. UN - rising prob on HIV - unwanted pregnancy etc...

2. what are the causes - premarital sex extramarital sex, unnatural sex etc..


3. Solution - UN says they should be educated in reproductive health, solution
to HIV is what then? condoms etc... how about unwanted pregnancy ...
contraceptives.

these things are immoral of course ! but maybe to you sir Subjective morality:
one is immoral the other one (contaceptive) is not.

Question: Have you read the UNESCO report? I'm guessing not.

1. Premarital sex is not just a cause. It is identified as a
problem as well. One of the issues that the guidelines seek to address is
how to curb early onset of sexual activity. (See page 10)

2. HIV is addressed not only based on the use of condoms. It is
also addressed via discussing means transmission, effects, treatment and other
prevention methods. As stated in the report and its goals, that is also
through the limiting of sexual partners.

3. The use of contraceptives is not the only means discussed in the
report about how to prevent un-wanted pregnancies. Family planning
methods are also part of the lessons.

4. Not all people view the use of artificial contraceptives as being
immoral. That is why it is also a part of the guidelines to familiarize
people about their use.

Esther wrote:ans. I will pawn Yidda's answer on
this: No one said that the scholastic curriculum is immoral
however this incoming educ. on sex may lead to immorality since we are dealing
here to solve the problem on HIV etc.. caused by immoral acts. Clearly the sex-
ed is technical solution which does not address the root of the problem.

Education teaches but not all education are good.
When you
have an internet at home that is good - it can help the childrens assignment,
this is good educ. but we know that there are also web that are not good for
children (a bad educ.) Now as a parent will you allow your child to freely
access the internet?

Will you allow this sex - ed in school which tackles primarily tackles those
problem caused by immorality? Who is the good counselor in morality? of course
the one who protects you : parents and the church.

1. Your argument is basically one big fear based on your own perceived
worst-case scenario. It's not based on any actual case of sex-education
being the cause of such immorality but just your idea.

And you are using that idea as if it was proof itself that the program is bad.

2. The sex education program actually identifies the problem with the
spread of HIV. It is not simply through immoral act (multiple sexual
partners) but more from the lack of knowledge on what it is, how it is
transmitted, and how to prevent it.

3. Not all education are good. Some, especially those based on
superstition, old-wives tales, or misconceptions are actually harmful.
Things like the notion that withdrawal is effective in stopping pregnancies, or
circumcision prevents AIDS.

So why should I consider sex education bad when it gives children what they
will need to make informed, responsible decisions when the time comes?

4. Tell me, did the church teach you about the reproductive
processes? How about your parents?

ans.of course like Yidda told you:

I will not gamble the morals of the children into which there is
uncertainty. In short I don't play the russian roullette for the children.
Given those above information will you gamble the future of your children.

The question is not whether you would gamble on the morals of your
children. The question is:

Do you know what will be taught?

Honestly speaking, it appears to me that you don't. As I pointed out,
your objection stems from a baseless fear. So let's try and put things in
perspective.

Texas implemented the Abstinence
Only Sex-Education program in line with the wishes of the conservative populace
and the christian churches and was done under the governorship of George Bush,
if I recall correctly.

Here's what's known about the program:




  • Texas
    gets more than $4.5 million a year through Title V, a stream of federal
    funding for abstinence programs—more than any other state.
  • The Texas Education Code,
    written by the state legislature, requires that classrooms give more
    attention to abstinence than any other approach and that they must present
    abstinence as the only method that is 100 percent effective at preventing
    pregnancy, sexually transmitted infections, HIV/AIDS, and the “emotional
    trauma associated with adolescent sexual activity.”
  • No law mandates that methods
    of contraception be included in sex ed classes, and condom instruction is
    not encouraged anywhere in the code.
  • Only one of the four
    state-approved high school student health textbooks uses the word
    “condom,” and that book reaches only a small percentage of the Texas
    market.
  • “In the entire state we found
    two people that were involved in these programs that had degrees in health
    education,” Texas A&M researcher, B. E. “Buzz” Pruitt said. “Two of
    the curricula didn’t contain a single fact.”



What were the results?




  • Texas
    ranks number one in teenage births, costing taxpayers there over $1
    billion a year. And 24 percent of those births are not the girl’s first
    delivery.
  • The rate of teenage births in
    Texas is decreasing at a
    slower rate than the nation at large.
  • Texan teenagers say they are
    having sex at a higher rate than the national average (52.5 percent vs. 47
    percent).



So, where would you place your bet?

Esther wrote:

That is a probable better solution.

It's interesting that you would say that and not see the irony of the
argument about sex education possibly leading to immorality.
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So you agree then with the alternative being offered by DepEd?

That is, if 3 out of 10 parents listens to the Church (no problem there), then the remaining 7 out of 10 people who don't listen to the Church should be dealt with by the DepEd? Smile

with regards to sex-ed No. With the other alternative like the effective parenting yes. No matter how enhance they will provide the teaching on sex -ed doesn't address the real problem on morality.

Even those of korrils UNESCo revision et al. it doesnt solve and address the root caused of the problem.

The program of the dep ed is like only a preventive measures. It's just like saying if you have gone in "pre marital sex here are the problems". If we allow such as Yidda says we are compromising the values and morals of the children. The good teachers in morality are our Parents guided by the Church. Dep - ed program will be much better if they will listen to what the church Teaches. I believe. Again I say to everyone,who are in favor of sex ed we are not contradicting because we fear. We are against it because it is not the appropriate solution. We value morality as we value our precious LIFE.

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Oh ..I must add on what you asked. How about does who do not listen to the church. Will the dep ed teach them? Everyone is free to study sex-ed exclusively, infact DOH is promoting the used of contraceptives.

Now That is up to the dep -ed . We will see if it identifies the problem or it must be implemented because UN said so.

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Post by Esther on Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:38 pm

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Question: Have you read the UNESCO report? I'm guessing not.

No. but are you not surprised that I was able to point out to you the problems.

1. Premarital sex is not just a cause. It is identified as a
problem as well. One of the issues that the guidelines seek to address is
how to curb early onset of sexual activity. (See page 10)

A good christian Parent would never allow her daughter or son to have a
illicit relationship like this. What would the sex-ed program would
teach then? "curb early onset of sexual activity."? The premarital prob.
is an immoral act. We are speaking of morality here. So this set of program
"will lead to" is the right word to use when speaking of the outcome of this prog.

2. HIV is addressed not only based on the use of condoms. It is
also addressed via discussing means transmission, effects, treatment and other
prevention methods. As stated in the report and its goals, that is also
through the limiting of sexual partners.

By the way contraceptives are immoral too. We are teaching morality here
because it is the real solution to the problem. Although partly educ. (this HIV)
It does not help. DOH and other entity informs their constituents it is their duty.

3. The use of contraceptives is not the only means discussed in the
report about how to prevent un-wanted pregnancies. Family planning
methods are also part of the lessons.

Thanks now I know the exact reason why is it opposed. So the the entirety of the
said program is almost similar to the reproductive bill being opposed by the church.
see my ff. coments on cobtraceptives.

4. Not all people view the use of artificial contraceptives as being
immoral. That is why it is also a part of the guidelines to familiarize
people about their use.

Here comes subjective morality. of course if there are two contradicting party one
is right other is wrong, being subjective you say both are right according to their belief.
But for sure ONLY ONE is right. Right?

FYI contraceptions falls on immorality. ALL. So it will be opposed no big deal for that.
No matter how good is the program - it will never make it moral.

To proved that the church is wrong on morality. One must depend that
contraceptions is moral etcc...


1. Your argument is basically one big fear based on your own perceived
worst-case scenario. It's not based on any actual case of sex-education
being the cause of such immorality but just your idea.

And you are using that idea as if it was proof itself that the program is bad.

It is based on morality not on fear. Because we value the future of the
children.

2. The sex education program actually identifies the problem with the
spread of HIV. It is not simply through immoral act (multiple sexual
partners) but more from the lack of knowledge on what it is, how it is
transmitted, and how to prevent it.


DOH has diseminate information on this as a government entity. all were informed, church
media men parents.etc... What's the use?

3. Not all education are good. Some, especially those based on
superstition, old-wives tales, or misconceptions are actually harmful.
Things like the notion that withdrawal is effective in stopping pregnancies, or
circumcision prevents AIDS.

So why should I consider sex education bad when it gives children what they
will need to make informed, responsible decisions when the time comes?

As a moral parent you would not allow your children to get addicted to or
learn bad education. So basically your information are immorals. Would you teach them
to your children. How about if your children goes on the premarital issue i s that ok to you?
because his using safe sex -educ.? You should be concern because Morality is absolute - you cannot make
immoral - moral.

4. Tell me, did the church teach you about the reproductive
processes? How about your parents?

No need to learn them if involves immoral - oriented like you said.

Church teaches morality.
Parents guide their children on their curiosity. All is well before without
these program. What was lost is the sense of teaching on values and morals.
that is the problem.

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