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Post by RavlaM on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:35 pm

Please confirm this, what I heard is it is even beside Mohammad's grave....... affraid
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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by harballah on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:51 pm

Tsismaks lang po siguro iyan hehehehe...

Huwag kang maniwala diyan kapatid kasi ang katabi lang ng libingan ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh) ay ang kay Omar (radiyallah anho)




Saan mo pala nabasa iyan brad ravlam?

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:38 am

So tell me what is the mystery of the empty tomb beside Mohammads grave?
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:40 am

RavlaM wrote:So tell me what is the mystery of the empty tomb beside Mohammads grave?

Alin pong empty tomb Rolling Eyes


Brad puwede bang malaman kung saan galing iyang nasa thread topic mo, thanks!

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:53 am

Muhammad is buried next to the first two caliphs, Abu Bakr and Umar. Umar
was gifted a spot next to Muhammad by his wife Ayesha, which had
originally been intended for her. There is an empty grave within the
tomb area meant for Jesus upon his return as the Messiah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burial_places_of_founders_of_world_religions
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:16 am

Pasensiya kana ravlam pero ang pinagkunan mo ay ang wikipedia kung saan kung papansinin mo ang nakasaad diyan ay ganito po.

here is an empty grave within the tomb area meant for Jesus upon his return as the Messiah.

Any Islam sources para pagtibayin iyan nakalap po ninyo, kasi ilang beses po akong bumisita sa prophet Mosques pero wala ni isang nagsabi sa akin doon na mayroon bakanteng libingan para sa pagbabalik ng propheta Isa bin Maryam (peace be upon him), maski ang hadith ay walang sinasabing may bakanteng libingan para sa kanya.

Ipagpaumanhin po ninyo ngunit ito ay haka-haka lang ng kung sino kaya nga natawa ako kasi sa WIKIPEDIA mo pala nabasa, akala ko po ay sa ISLAM SITES.

Anyway, maraming salamat din sa paglatag mo ng usapin na ito para sa ganoon ay mabasa rin po ng lahat na walang katotohanan po ito.

Thanks and peace!

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:15 am

Contrary to what you are saying a lot of my muslim colleague confirms that there is indeed an empty grave beside Mohammad's.
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:37 am

RavlaM wrote:Contrary to what you are saying a lot of my muslim colleague confirms that there is indeed an empty grave beside Mohammad's.

Who are they ?

Ano po ang katibayan nila na ang iyong sinasabi nilang empty grave ay para sa nasabi mong libingan na inihahanda kay Isa bin Maryam (pbuh).

Kaming mga muslim ay naniniwala na babalik si Hesus (Isa bin Maryam) upang mamuhay kapiling ng mga muslim at siya rin ang tanda na malapit na ang araw ng paghuhukom, pero wala kaming aral na mayroon inilaan na libingan para sa kanya at wala rin sinabi ang Quran at hadith about that Rolling Eyes

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:45 am

Masjid al-Nabawi or Mosque of the Prophet is the second holiest mosque in the Islamic world. The original mosque was built by Muhammad and is also where his house was. He is buried here, along with Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab. According to some Islamic traditions, there is also an empty grave present which is for Jesus who will die after returning to Earth.

http://neohumanism.org/m/ma/masjid_al_nabawi.html

Harballah, lumalabas pa na si Isa Ibn Maryam ay nasa langit ng muslim in the flesh.....???
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:50 am

Brad ravlam mas ma-satisfy sana ako kung sa ISLAM SITES po kayo kukuha ng ipakita ninyo sa akin na may katotohanan po iyan, ang tutuo first time kung mabasa ito na mayroon palang empty grave para sa propheta Isa bin Maryam (pbuh) What a Face

About sa pag-akyat ng propheta sa langit opo in flesh po siya but hindi po siya ang topic natin ngayon hehehe...


Any Islam sites para sa usapin natin ngayon, gusto ko rin malaman kasi baka kulang ang aking natutunan.

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:05 am

So now you admit that there is indeed an empty grave...?

Do muslims believe in human soul harballah?
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:18 am

RavlaM wrote:So now you admit that there is indeed an empty grave...?

Do muslims believe in human soul harballah?

Mali po kayo ng unawa sa sinabi ko, ang sabi ko ngayon ko lang nabasa na mayroon pa palang empty grave.


Harballah wrote:ang tutuo first time kung mabasa ito na mayroon palang empty grave para sa propheta Isa bin Maryam (pbuh)

Nakita mo ang sinabi ko diyan, first time kung mabasa ito (galing sa thread mo).

Teka brad parang ibang katanungan na iyan human soul hehehehe....

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:42 am

I may be able to connect my question to the topic..
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Post by Ateo on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:56 am

Harby, I think Ravla can legitimately get his materials from independent sources. They don't have to be from Islamic sites. Forcing him to limit himself to Islamic friendly sites is like forcing ourselves to use only New Advent when we talk about Catholicism. That is too limiting.

Wikipedia is generally fine. If there are info in Wikipedia that you think us wrong, then challenge it so we know we should be careful with that particular fact and perhaps get more validation.

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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:04 am

RavlaM wrote:I may be able to connect my question to the topic..

Dapat lang na naayon sa topic natin ang pag-uusapan upang hindi tayo malihis at mapagtuunan natin ng pansin ang inilatag mong iyan na ngayon ko lang napag-alaman since I am here in saudi arabia.

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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:10 am

Ateo wrote:Harby, I think Ravla can legitimately get his materials from independent sources. They don't have to be from Islamic sites. Forcing him to limit himself to Islamic friendly sites is like forcing ourselves to use only New Advent when we talk about Catholicism. That is too limiting.

Wikipedia is generally fine. If there are info in Wikipedia that you think us wrong, then challenge it so we know we should be careful with that particular fact and perhaps get more validation.

Iyon nga ang problema ateo sapagkat wala siyang makuhang katibayan na susuporta sa nabanggit sa WIKIPEDIA, siguro alam natin na ang wikipedia ay para lang iyan reporter na sumasagap lang ng balita at siyang itinatala pero saan ba dapat kumuha ng source hindi po ba sa hadith mismo o hindi kaya maski na lang sa isang ISLAMIC WEBSITES.

In fact, hindi naman sariling pananaliksik ito ni ravlam kundi nabasa lang niya at papaano niya i-verify na tama nga iyong nabasa niya hindi ba sa isang authenticate source.

I am a muslim and how many times i visited Madina Munawara and visits the place which our prophet buried there, pero wala pong sinasabi sa akin ng mga nandoon na nagbabantay na mayroon libingan si Isa bin Maryam (pbuh) doon na bakante Rolling Eyes

So, I need more evidence na manggagaling kay Ravlam para makumbinsi niya akong mayroon akong aral na hindi ko alam.

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:46 am

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Muwajeh Sharif (Golden Grill). Behind this grill, from left to right is
the Mazar-e-Mubarak of Hadhrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) then first
Caliph of Islam, Ameer ul Mo'mineen Hadhrat Abu Bakr's Mazar and after
that is the Mazar of second Caliph of Islam, Ameer ul Mo'mineen,
Hadhrat Umar Farooq (May Allah be pleased with them). Behind the right
most grill is the empty space for one grave. It is believed that Prophet
Isa (Jesus) (Peace be upon him) will be buried here.

http://www.mohrasharif.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=293:other-islamic-relics&catid=61:relics-taburrukaats

Some say Isa will get married and have children..... affraid
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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:04 am

Thanks for the above mentioned links but where's our teaching about this empty grave, who saying that Rolling Eyes

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:08 am

harballah wrote:Thanks for the above mentioned links but where's our teaching about this empty grave, who saying that Rolling Eyes

Thanks and peace!

I have shown you ample proof, I don't know why you ask me to provide for your teachings obviously you know that I am a Catholic.
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Post by Ateo on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:12 am

Oo naman, Harby. You seemed to put unnecessary burden on RavlaM. First, you require only Islamic sites as sources. Now, you also demanded of him to explain the teaching.

I think RavlaM found something interesting. What he found implies an Islamic belief that is so interesting: that Jesus will come back, have sex and kids, and then will die (a grave is already reserved for him). Indeed, this is a teaching that I have not heard before.

Of course, you can say that it is not true. But we also want an explanation about that empty tomb.

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Post by sr_kakashi on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:30 am

wow really? a graveyard alloted to Jesus? Interesting thread Smile
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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:03 pm

Jesus (PBUH) was thus the cutest child ever born and
did not give any work and pain to her mother. Interestingly Quran
clearly shows that Jesus was born in summer as Mary was given strength
after delivery to shake the stem of the date tree and the ripe dates
fell which she ate and she was given a spring of fresh water from which
she drank. The third part of the prayer of Jesus (PBUH) had to be
filled when Jesus (PBUH) will return and get married and have children
and die a natural death.....
affraid

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/12/26/jesus-in-islam/
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Post by Ateo on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:36 pm

Mas logical at reasonable ang Muslim version na kinuwento ni RavlaM. Besides, I have been a little suspicious with the Christian version where Jesus stayed single and spent all the time with a band of twelve sweaty jobless men, who kept on debating among themselves whom Jesus loved most. Very Happy

Getting married and having kids are comparatively more normal. I like the Muslim Isa version better.

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Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:28 pm

RavlaM wrote:

I have shown you ample proof, I don't know why you ask me to provide for your teachings obviously you know that I am a Catholic.

Brad Ravlam wala naman problema sa akin ang ipinakita mo kaya nga sabi ko "thanks" pero alam mo bang ang aral namin ay nasa Quran at hadith, hindi kasi puwedeng tinutukoy lang na para kay Hesus ang sinasabi mo diyan na empty grave ay dapat ko narin tanggapin, tulad ng sabi ko na ilang beses akong bumisita sa prophet mosque pero wala akong narinig na nagsabi doon na mayroon empty grave para kay Isa bin Maryam (pbuh). No

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Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:49 pm

harballah wrote:

Brad Ravlam wala naman problema sa akin ang ipinakita mo kaya nga sabi ko "thanks" pero alam mo bang ang aral namin ay nasa Quran at hadith, hindi kasi puwedeng tinutukoy lang na para kay Hesus ang sinasabi mo diyan na empty grave ay dapat ko narin tanggapin, tulad ng sabi ko na ilang beses akong bumisita sa prophet mosque pero wala akong narinig na nagsabi doon na mayroon empty grave para kay Isa bin Maryam (pbuh). No

Harby, you are denying the issue based only on your personal capacity.
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