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Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:41 pm

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Harby, you are denying the issue based only on your personal capacity.

Ravlam mayron ba akong dapat i-deny sa sinasabi mo kung talagang alam ko iyan, anyway kung tutuo man iyan na mayroon empty grave doon (kahit naman hindi ko ito nakita o nalaman man lang) ano po ang problema kung sakali.

Mayroon ba brad ?

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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:44 pm

Ateo wrote:Mas logical at reasonable ang Muslim version na kinuwento ni RavlaM. Besides, I have been a little suspicious with the Christian version where Jesus stayed single and spent all the time with a band of twelve sweaty jobless men, who kept on debating among themselves whom Jesus loved most. Very Happy

Getting married and having kids are comparatively more normal. I like the Muslim Isa version better.

Sa Islam kasi ateo ay malinaw na detalyado kung bakit siya babalik sa mundo, una kasi nga hindi pa niya lubos na nagawa ang kanyang misyon na maging isang relihiyon lang ang tao at pangalawa hindi pa naganap ang nabanggit sa Quran na siya ay ipinanganak, mamamatay at muling mabubuhay.

Hindi kaba nagtataka kung bakit may second coming ang mga kristiyano gayong ayon sa kanila ay tapos na ang misyon niya noong namatay daw siya at sinabing naganap na ang lahat, kahit tanungin mo sila ay may aral pa silang 1000 years daw na mamamalagi si Hesus, hindi kaya tutuo ang paniniwala ng Islam na mamumuhay nga siya kasi bakit paabutin ng 1000 yeard kung "day of judgement" na Wink

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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by RavlaM on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:31 pm

harballah wrote:

Sa Islam kasi ateo ay malinaw na detalyado kung bakit siya babalik sa mundo, una kasi nga hindi pa niya lubos na nagawa ang kanyang misyon na maging isang relihiyon lang ang tao at pangalawa hindi pa naganap ang nabanggit sa Quran na siya ay ipinanganak, mamamatay at muling mabubuhay.

Hindi kaba nagtataka kung bakit may second coming ang mga kristiyano gayong ayon sa kanila ay tapos na ang misyon niya noong namatay daw siya at sinabing naganap na ang lahat, kahit tanungin mo sila ay may aral pa silang 1000 years daw na mamamalagi si Hesus, hindi kaya tutuo ang paniniwala ng Islam na mamumuhay nga siya kasi bakit paabutin ng 1000 yeard kung "day of judgement" na Wink

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I think you are totally wrong harnallah:

The Qur'an graphically depicts the events of the
Last Day, and all of the people's accompanying shock, fear, panic, and
mental framework. The universe will end in the same spectacular fashion
in which it was created. Planets will fall out of their orbits, and
mountains will be moved. In the face of such amazing events,
those who
put their faith in chance and random happenings will realize that only
Allah rules over everything. Allah states:


http://www.nizamulislam.com/beliefs/english/Day_Of_Judgement/Day_Of_Judgement.asp

Now tell me how can Jesus have wife and children when in your faith says that the universe will end at the day of judgment.

nanghihinayang ako sa issues ng thread na binuksan ko especially we all know that this is a fresh issue. Wala kang maisagot all you have is your insistence that you know nothing about it. Makikita mo naman na ang lahat ng sinasabi ko eh may legitimate writings from islamic sites to back it.
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Re: Tomb of Jesus (Isa) in Madina Munawara?

Post by harballah on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:44 pm

RavlaM wrote:
I think you are totally wrong harnallah:

The Qur'an graphically depicts the events of the
Last Day, and all of the people's accompanying shock, fear, panic, and
mental framework. The universe will end in the same spectacular fashion
in which it was created. Planets will fall out of their orbits, and
mountains will be moved. In the face of such amazing events,
those who
put their faith in chance and random happenings will realize that only
Allah rules over everything. Allah states:


http://www.nizamulislam.com/beliefs/english/Day_Of_Judgement/Day_Of_Judgement.asp

Now tell me how can Jesus have wife and children when in your faith says that the universe will end at the day of judgment.

Brad ravlam saan ko po sinabi na araw na ng paghuhukom sa pagdating ni Hesus, pakibigay lang po kung saan.

Sa link mo ba diyan ay sinasabing sa pagdating ni Hesus ay katapusan na ng mundo o senyales ng katapusan ng mundo iyan kasi ang aral namin na ang pagdating niya ay senyales ng nalalapit na ang araw ng paghuhukom ngunit hindi po namin aral na sa pagdating niya ay paghuhukom na po.


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nanghihinayang ako sa issues ng thread na binuksan ko especially we all know that this is a fresh issue. Wala kang maisagot all you have is your insistence that you know nothing about it. Makikita mo naman na ang lahat ng sinasabi ko eh may legitimate writings from islamic sites to back it.
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Brad alangan naman na sasabihin ko na tutuo kung hindi ko po inaral at wala rin pong nagsasabi sa akin na mayroon empty grave para kay Hesus atsaka hindi ba tinatanong kita ng ganito.

Harballah wrote:anyway kung tutuo man iyan na mayroon empty grave doon (kahit naman hindi ko ito nakita o nalaman man lang) ano po ang problema kung sakali.



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Post by RavlaM on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:06 am

So ganoon mo pala gustong iresulba ang issue, pasensya ka na sa katanungan, di mo pala alam ang katotohanan na maytoong empty grave para kay Isa al Masih na kahanay sa libingan ng mahal mong propeta.
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Post by harballah on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:23 am

RavlaM wrote:So ganoon mo pala gustong iresulba ang issue, pasensya ka na sa katanungan, di mo pala alam ang katotohanan na maytoong empty grave para kay Isa al Masih na kahanay sa libingan ng mahal mong propeta.

Kaya nga po tinatanong ko sa inyo kung saan po ninyo iyan nalaman kasi hindi ko po alam iyan dahil hindi po naituro o nabanggit sa akin kahit ng mga instructor sa Dawah Center Rolling Eyes

In fact, bago kasi ako naniniwala sa isang bagay ay dapat kumpirmahin ko muna sa Quran at hadith, kaso wala pong binanggit doon at kaya nga nagtaka ako kung bakit wala pong nabanggit tungkol diyan.

Ngayon ipalagay natin na tutuo ang sinasabi nila tungkol diyan, ano po ang gusto ninyong pag-usapan.

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Post by RavlaM on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:56 am

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Kaya nga po tinatanong ko sa inyo kung saan po ninyo iyan nalaman kasi hindi ko po alam iyan dahil hindi po naituro o nabanggit sa akin kahit ng mga instructor sa Dawah Center Rolling Eyes

In fact, bago kasi ako naniniwala sa isang bagay ay dapat kumpirmahin ko muna sa Quran at hadith, kaso wala pong binanggit doon at kaya nga nagtaka ako kung bakit wala pong nabanggit tungkol diyan.

Ngayon ipalagay natin na tutuo ang sinasabi nila tungkol diyan, ano po ang gusto ninyong pag-usapan.

Sa umpisa pa lamang gusto kong ikumpirma kung mayroon ngang empty grave for Isa al Masih and in the process I posted write ups from the internet sites One showing a picture af the graves of Mohammad and others including the one for Isa al Masih, the caption of the picture clearly identified the said empty grave..

Now, obviously you don't know anything about it, so let us not pursue the purpose of this thread coz it is clear you don't know anything about this matter.
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Post by harballah on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:12 am

RavlaM wrote:
Sa umpisa pa lamang gusto kong ikumpirma kung mayroon ngang empty grave for Isa al Masih and in the process I posted write ups from the internet sites One showing a picture af the graves of Mohammad and others including the one for Isa al Masih, the caption of the picture clearly identified the said empty grave..

Ravlam walang malinaw na larawan doon sa ipinakita mo na mayroon empty grave sapagkat basi sa unang binanggit mo ay katabi ng propheta kamo ang empty grave na iyon at sinagot na kita na ang katabi ng propheta doon ay ang caliph umar (radiyallah anho).


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Now, obviously you don't know anything about it, so let us not pursue the purpose of this thread coz it is clear you don't know anything about this matter.

Kaya nga po hindi ko alam iyan sa loob ng 19 years ko dito ay ngayon ko lang napag-alaman na mayroon palang empty grave para kay Isa bin Maryam (pbuh) at dahil napag-usapan lang natin ay nais kung malaman kung sakaling ipalagay natin na mayroon iyan ay ano po ang gusto ninyong pag-usapan.

Ngayon ano po ang gusto ninyong pag-usapan, sige po tanong lang po kayo o baka naman may maligaw na Muslim na siyang higit na nakakaalam nito.

Sorry ravlam kung sa tingin mo ay nag-denial lang ako pero sa tutuo lang wala akong kaalam-alam sa bagay na iyan sapagkat hindi ko natunghayan sa hadith na paglalaanan ng libingan ang propheta Isa bin Maryam (pbuh), nobody knows when he coming back baka abutin pa ng milyon taon anong malay natin so mawawala na iyang libingan na sinasabi mo Smile

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