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Is there any Biblical proof for infant Baptism?

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Re: Is there any Biblical proof for infant Baptism?

Post by ramcam2 on Sun May 08, 2011 5:37 pm

Comb@tron wrote:Hi catholic friends!

Can you site any verses stating that Jesus, prophet or any disciples baptize an infant to be a christian?

If none, it is unchristian practise!

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''...Infant Baptism Is Not Anti-Biblical

Though the Bible records no instances of infant
baptism, neither does it condemn the practice or instruct that baptism
is to be reserved for adults only. Furthermore, infant baptism can be
implicitly found in the Bible.

Let’s look at the Bible’s record of the baptisms of three
different families. Acts 16:33 records the baptism of the jailer and his
entire family by Paul. Acts 16:14–15 records the baptism of Lydia along
with her household. And 1 Corinthians 1:16 records the baptism of the
household of Stephanas.

Collectively, even though these passages do not explicitly indicate the baptism of children, they all imply
the practice. Of course, it is possible for a household to be
childless. However, the possibility of that all three households were is
remote. Fundamentalists who object to infant baptism must interpret
these verses with the assumption that each family had no children.

Circumcision was an important entrance rite for infant boys into
the Jewish religion. In Colossians 2:11–12 Paul compares Christian
baptism to Jewish circumcision: “In him also you were circumcised with a
circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in
the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism in
which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God,
who raised him from the dead.”

If infant circumcision was appropriate for entrance into the Old
Covenant, infant baptism is now appropriate for entrance into the New
Covenant.

Finally, in Peter’s speech to the crowd at Pentecost in Acts
2:37–39 he tells the people to “repent and be baptized, every one of
you” and “the promise is made to you and to your children.” “Now when
they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the
rest of the apostles, ‘Brethren, what shall we do?’ And Peter said to
them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus
Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift
of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and
to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.’”
Then verse 41 tells us that about three thousand were added that day.
It is not logical to assume that this multitude of three thousand
consisted of only adults. After all, Peter specifically instructs them
that the promise is for them and their children...''

fromThe Promise Is to You and to Your Children, An Explanation of Infant Baptism by Terry J. Svik


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Post by Comb@tron on Tue May 10, 2011 12:00 pm

^ok ok Granted without accepting, sabi sa mga verses na binigay mo isinama ang sambahayan na maliligtas kung ika'y maniniwala. Ang tanong brad ramcam paano makaka sampalataya ang isang sanggol na wala pang muwang?

Ano nga pala ang requirements ng RCC sa infant baptism brad? Biblically o Traditionally?

What if i will show a verse stating that you have to believe first before a person get baptize? are you willing to accept the fact that Jesus did not authorize that teaching?
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Post by Comb@tron on Tue May 10, 2011 7:54 pm

ang daming caths dito pero parang wala akong kausap...
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Post by Dhugz on Tue May 10, 2011 9:32 pm

Traditionally, makikita natin na ito ay aral ng mga apostol, ipinangaral ng lahat ng apostol. Kayo wala sa inyo ang aral ni Matthias, bartolomew at iba pang apostol na walang sinulat sa Bibliya. Very Happy
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Post by ramcam2 on Wed May 11, 2011 1:04 pm

Comb@tron wrote:^ok ok Granted without accepting, sabi sa mga verses na binigay mo isinama ang sambahayan na maliligtas kung ika'y maniniwala. Ang tanong brad ramcam paano makaka sampalataya ang isang sanggol na wala pang muwang?

Ano nga pala ang requirements ng RCC sa infant baptism brad? Biblically o Traditionally?

What if i will show a verse stating that you have to believe first before a person get baptize? are you willing to accept the fact that Jesus did not authorize that teaching?

An infant cannot perform works and cannot make a profession of faith. But, through the faith of the parents, the child, upon being baptized, receives salvation...he is saved.

We are saved by God's grace and by God's grace alone! It is not by works. It is not even by faith that we are saved. It is by God's grace and God's grace alone. As the Council of Trent stated, nothing that comes before justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. Justification, salvation, is a free gift of God's grace.
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Post by Comb@tron on Tue May 17, 2011 5:42 pm

ramcam2 wrote:
We are saved by God's grace and by God's grace alone! It is not by works. It is not even by faith that we are saved. It is by God's grace and God's grace alone. As the Council of Trent stated, nothing that comes before justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. Justification, salvation, is a free gift of God's grace.


God's grace alone brad ramcam? e bakit kung sino sino pang santo at santa ang tinatawag nyo po para ma save kayo? anyway ibang topic na yan.

Brad ramcam what if i can show you a verse stating you have to believe first before get baptize? Will you accept the fact that infant baptism is unbiblical?
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Post by ramcam2 on Wed May 18, 2011 12:21 am

Comb@tron wrote:


God's grace alone brad ramcam? e bakit kung sino sino pang santo at santa ang tinatawag nyo po para ma save kayo? anyway ibang topic na yan.

Brad ramcam what if i can show you a verse stating you have to believe first before get baptize? Will you accept the fact that infant baptism is unbiblical?

you are barking on the wrong tree, we also believe that faith is needed in baptism. in infant baptism, it is the faith of the parents.
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Post by Comb@tron on Wed May 25, 2011 5:43 pm

ramcam2 wrote:you are barking on the wrong tree, we also believe that faith is needed in baptism. in infant baptism, it is the faith of the parents.

Sad to say ramcam hindi parin pasado yan e, ang hirap explain pero sige eto at ibibigay ko na ang talata na nag papatunay na kailangang sumampalataya muna kay Jesus bago magpabautismo.

KJV Acts 8:34-38

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36And
as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37And
Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And
he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38And
he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into
the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

New KJV Acts 8:34-38

34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, “I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[c]
38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

at sa Tagalog


Ang Salita ng Diyos Gawa 8:34-38
34Sumagot ang
kapon kay Felipe at sinabi: Isinasamo ko sa iyo, sabihin mo sa akin
kung sino ang tinutukoy dito ng propeta? Ang kaniya bang sarili o ibang
tao? 35Nagsimulang magsalita si Felipe at mula sa kasulatang ito, ipinangaral niya sa kaniya si Jesus.
36Sa
pagpapatuloy nila sa paglalakbay, nakarating sila sa isang dako na may
tubig. Sinabi ng kapon: Narito, may tubig dito. Ano ang makakahadlang
upang ako ay hindi mabawtismuhan?
37Sinabi
ni Felipe: Kung sumasampalataya ka nang buong puso ay maaari kang
bawtismuhan.
Ang lalaki ay sumagot at sinabi: Sumasampalataya ako na si
Jesucristo ay ang Anak ng Diyos
. 38Iniutos niyang itigil ang karwahe. Sila ay kapwa lumusong sa tubig, si Felipe at ang lalaki. Binawtismuhan siya ni Felipe.

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ramcam sa ibang salin wala ang verse 37 take note. So pano yan? Makakasampalataya ba ang isang munting Sanggol na walang muwang kay Jesus?

(kaya sa evangelicals walang infant baptism dedication meron)
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Post by ramcam2 on Thu May 26, 2011 7:55 pm

Comb@tron wrote:

Sad to say ramcam hindi parin pasado yan e, ang hirap explain pero sige eto at ibibigay ko na ang talata na nag papatunay na kailangang sumampalataya muna kay Jesus bago magpabautismo.

KJV Acts 8:34-38

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36And
as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the
eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37And
Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And
he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38And
he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into
the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

New KJV Acts 8:34-38

34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, “I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[c]
38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

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Ang Salita ng Diyos Gawa 8:34-38
34Sumagot ang
kapon kay Felipe at sinabi: Isinasamo ko sa iyo, sabihin mo sa akin
kung sino ang tinutukoy dito ng propeta? Ang kaniya bang sarili o ibang
tao? 35Nagsimulang magsalita si Felipe at mula sa kasulatang ito, ipinangaral niya sa kaniya si Jesus.
36Sa
pagpapatuloy nila sa paglalakbay, nakarating sila sa isang dako na may
tubig. Sinabi ng kapon: Narito, may tubig dito. Ano ang makakahadlang
upang ako ay hindi mabawtismuhan?
37Sinabi
ni Felipe: Kung sumasampalataya ka nang buong puso ay maaari kang
bawtismuhan.
Ang lalaki ay sumagot at sinabi: Sumasampalataya ako na si
Jesucristo ay ang Anak ng Diyos
. 38Iniutos niyang itigil ang karwahe. Sila ay kapwa lumusong sa tubig, si Felipe at ang lalaki. Binawtismuhan siya ni Felipe.

_____________________________________________________________

ramcam sa ibang salin wala ang verse 37 take note. So pano yan? Makakasampalataya ba ang isang munting Sanggol na walang muwang kay Jesus?

(kaya sa evangelicals walang infant baptism dedication meron)


We believe that Baptism takes away sins. Original sin in children; original sin and actual sins in adults. I agree with the verses you mentioned that faith is a pre-requisite but nowhere in this verses say baptism is to be restricted only to adults. The Bible does not explicitly support such a view . Naturally enough, the people whose baptisms we read about in Scripture (and few are individually identified) are adults, because they were converted as adults. This makes sense, because Christianity was just beginning—there were no "cradle Christians," people brought up from childhood in Christian homes. Catholic belief accords perfectly well with early Christian practices. Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that "according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants" (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, "The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).
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