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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:44 pm

poetic kasi ang Quran, at kelangan e in context ang pag-intindi.

noong time ni Muhammad sa Mecca e walang government noon, lawlessness ang naghahari noon, influence at gantihan ang batas noon, ang mga Meccan mob na nag-o-oppress at nang-aapi sa mga Muslims ang tinutukoy dun sa verse na may "tumult", galit kasi sila sa mga Muslims dahil sa turo ng Islam na laban sa mga false gods nila kaya pilit nilang dinudurog ang Islam, kaya pinalalaban ang mga Muslims. ang tao ay may karapatan na lumaban para ipagtanggol ang sarili, pamilya, property at karapatang mabuhay nang maayos.
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:45 pm

the700clowns wrote:poetic kasi ang Quran, at kelangan e in context ang pag-intindi.

noong time ni Muhammad sa Mecca e walang government noon, lawlessness ang naghahari noon, influence at gantihan ang batas noon, ang mga Meccan mob na nag-o-oppress at nang-aapi sa mga Muslims ang tinutukoy dun sa verse na may "tumult", galit kasi sila sa mga Muslims dahil sa turo ng Islam na laban sa mga false gods nila kaya pilit nilang dinudurog ang Islam, kaya pinalalaban ang mga Muslims. ang tao ay may karapatan na lumaban para ipagtanggol ang sarili, pamilya, property at karapatang mabuhay nang maayos.

Ah so kaya pala dahil walang gobyerno noon at angkop ito noong panahon no Mohammad...

Anyway siguro dapat move on tayo para makarami.

Please explain to me this verse..

Quran 2: 215 -218
Quran 2: 216Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye
hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing
which is bad for you. Allah knoweth,
ye know not.


Ibig ba sabihin ay dapat na nakikipagdigma kayo.....

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2. to enact or establish by law, edict, etc.: to ordain a new type of government.
3. to decree; give orders for: He ordained that the restrictions were to be lifted.
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:27 pm

So, wala ka ng sasagutin sa mga previous usapin natin at lulukso na tayo diyan sa chapter 2, sige po pagbibigyan kita pero ayaw ko ng paulit-ulit na usapin kasi nakakawalan ng gana.


harballah wrote:Teka brad sabi mo itatama ko iyong kulay at gawin kung black, kakalimutan mo na ba ito at nagpost ka ulit ng bago.......


Iyan paskil mo diyan ay ito po, iseparate lang natin kasi alam ko napulot mo naman iyan sa anti-islam websites.



Chapter 2:

215 They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -(Allah) knoweth it well.

216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

218 Those who believed and those who suffered exile and fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah,- they have the hope of the Mercy of Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


Paki-sundan lang muna iyong huling post ko bago natin luksuhan itong gusto mong ipabasa sa akin kasi parang nakikita ko lagi mo akong tinakasan sa paksa ko.


Then kapag nasundan mo na ako ay papatulan ko ang ipinabasa mo sa akin na iyan at pag-aralan natin ang konteksto ng talata especially iyan nasa verse 218 kung sino ang tinutukoy na iyan.

Sa panahon kasi noon ay hindi pa ipinag-utos na lumaban ngunit ng panahon na ipinag-utos ay mayroon ilan sa mga Muslim na ayaw lumaban sa kabila ng pagpatay sa maraming mga Muslim.

Ngayon nabasa mo ba ang nasa verse 217 na minarkahan ko o iiwan mo naman ang post ko na ito at lulukso ka naman sa ibang talata.

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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by the700clowns on Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:41 am

RavlaM wrote:

Ah so kaya pala dahil walang gobyerno noon at angkop ito noong panahon no Mohammad...

Anyway siguro dapat move on tayo para makarami.

Please explain to me this verse..

Quran 2: 215 -218
Quran 2: 216Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye
hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing
which is bad for you. Allah knoweth,
ye know not.


Ibig ba sabihin ay dapat na nakikipagdigma kayo.....

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1. to invest with ministerial or sacerdotal functions; confer holy orders upon.
2. to enact or establish by law, edict, etc.: to ordain a new type of government.
3. to decree; give orders for: He ordained that the restrictions were to be lifted.
4.(of god, fate, etc.) to destine or predestine: Fate had ordained the meeting.

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oo ordained nga kasi ginegera sila, yung iba kasi e ayaw lumaban at pinababayaan na lang yung iba ang lumaban, gusto e pa relax-relax na lang habang yung iba e nakikipaglaban. yan ang principle ng Islam, kung kelangan lumaban, dapat lumaban. pero ang important e hindi sila ang aggressor.


Qur’an 009:013 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Apostle, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:58 am

the700clowns wrote:

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oo ordained nga kasi ginegera sila, yung iba kasi e ayaw lumaban at pinababayaan na lang yung iba ang lumaban, gusto e pa relax-relax na lang habang yung iba e nakikipaglaban. yan ang principle ng Islam, kung kelangan lumaban, dapat lumaban. pero ang important e hindi sila ang aggressor.


Qur’an 009:013 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Apostle, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

Ano? ang sabi mo ay "ang importante ay hindi sila ang aggressor"?
Mukhang di po ninyo na gets, ang mga muslim daw ay inordinahan o' nilikha upang makipagdigma...

Ibig sabihin ay kasama inuutusan kayong makipag digmaan...!!

Yung argument po ninyo na ginegera sila??? may sinabi ba diyan na kapag yayo ay ginegera...
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Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:23 pm

[quote="harballah"]So, wala ka ng sasagutin sa mga previous usapin natin at lulukso na tayo diyan sa chapter 2, sige po pagbibigyan kita pero ayaw ko ng paulit-ulit na usapin kasi nakakawalan ng gana.
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Oo, nag pala sa kaguluhan sa Lybia ang may sala doon sa mata ng Allah ay ang mga nagttatangkang paalisin si Gaddafi...meaning he has all the right to repel the sinners in the eyes of Allah...


59O
ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged
with authority among you
. If ye differ in anything among yourselves,
refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the
Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.

Ayan po dapat ang gawin ng mga protesters ay magdasal na lang kay allah..
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Chapter 2:

215 They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -(Allah) knoweth it well.

Ang sagot ko po diyan ay out of topic..
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216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Sagot : Malinaw po ang sabi ni allah ay makipagdigma kayo.....dahil kayo ay nilikha niyang dapat makipag digma...

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217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

Sagot ko ay pakieksplika...pano kung hindi naman g fafasting ang kalaban..pero out of topic pa rin....pero kung ididikit ulit yan kay Gaddafi ay pakibasa na lang ng verse..


59O
ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged
with authority among you
. If ye differ in anything among yourselves,
refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the
Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
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218 Those who believed and those who suffered exile and fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah,- they have the hope of the Mercy of Allah. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Ang pagkakaintindi ko diyan ay patukoy ito sa mga mandirigmang muslim...maaasahan daw nila ang awa at kapatawara......kaya pala maski na terrorism ay maaasahan nila ang kapatawaran..
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:20 pm

Ravlam siguro naman sapat na ang paliwanag ko kasi sa tingin ko paikot-ikot lang tayo ni hindi mo makuha ang punto ko sa mga post ko.

Tell me lang kung dalhin natin sa debate tulad ng unang proposal ko at maghintay muna ako ng ibang kausap (mahirap na baka may masabi pa ako sa iyo global moderator pa naman ako) kung saan ang paksa ko ay about terorista at hindi kay khadafi o ang mga sinasabi mong protesters.

Ang sagot doon sa tanong mo kay clowns sa verse 216 at nandoon na mismo sa sumunod na talata sa verse 217 at 218.

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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:48 pm

Puwede mio naman irefute dito ang mga sinasabi ko eh..

Dga pala wala kang matibay na kasagutan sa mga talatang nilatag ko.
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:04 pm

RavlaM wrote:Puwede mio naman irefute dito ang mga sinasabi ko eh..

Dga pala wala kang matibay na kasagutan sa mga talatang nilatag ko.

Brad malinaw ang mga sagot ko at malinaw din na pinagbigyan ko ang tanong mo na wala sa paksa tulad ni khadafi at kab bin ashraf, tandaan mo na ang paksa ko ay ang mga terorista unless terorista sa inyo si khadafi at kab bin ashraf.

Ang ginagawa mo kasi ibinabasi mo word for word at hindi ang konteksto ng talata tuloy hindi mo makuha ang sagot ko, iyon ngang isang talata na pinagkunan mo ng word for word ay nasa kasunod na talata ang sagot, iyan ang Quran may sagot mismo doon sa tanong mo doon.

BTW, let reader decide kung sino ang sa tingin nila ang tumatakas sa mga katanungan at kung gusto mo ng debate tungkol diyan sa ONE on ONE lang tayo, sa ngayon hayaan mo na mabasag ninyo ang first premises ko kung tagasunod ba ang mga terorista ng Allah.

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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:24 pm

harballah wrote:

Brad malinaw ang mga sagot ko at malinaw din na pinagbigyan ko ang tanong mo na wala sa paksa tulad ni khadafi at kab bin ashraf, tandaan mo na ang paksa ko ay ang mga terorista unless terorista sa inyo si khadafi at kab bin ashraf.

Ang ginagawa mo kasi ibinabasi mo word for word at hindi ang konteksto ng talata tuloy hindi mo makuha ang sagot ko, iyon ngang isang talata na pinagkunan mo ng word for word ay nasa kasunod na talata ang sagot, iyan ang Quran may sagot mismo doon sa tanong mo doon.

BTW, let reader decide kung sino ang sa tingin nila ang tumatakas sa mga katanungan at kung gusto mo ng debate tungkol diyan sa ONE on ONE lang tayo, sa ngayon hayaan mo na mabasag ninyo ang first premises ko kung tagasunod ba ang mga terorista ng Allah.

thanks and peace!

Paki busisi nga po ng verses ...

Quran (2:216) "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is
possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing
which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

In this verse allah prescribed fighting..it says that it is good for you.
This implies all Muslims should be fighting.

Quran (4: 74) "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for
the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious,
on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

This verse confirms what was said in the first verse Allah even bribed a vast reward..

Quran (4: 95) "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and
those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their
persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with
their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith)
Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished
above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

Allah even criticized peaceful muslims who just sit in their homes and wont fight....it said that fighting have special reward.

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at
Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used
dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against
Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was
brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

This hadith speaks of Mohammads use of murder and deception to achieve his ends..
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Post by harballah on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:31 pm

Inulit mo na lang iyan ravlam, punta ka lang sa mga post ko bakrid mo na lang at huwag mong daanin sa paisa-isang talata ang usapin.

Kung gusto mong pagdebatihan iyan ay punta tayo sa ONE on ONE sa ngayon ay ayaw ko ng sirang plaka, hayaan mo na pag-usapan iyong premises ng thread ko.

Pili ka lang diyan sa binibigyan mo ng interpretasyon mo at dalhin natin sa debate para hindi tayo paulit-ulit sa ngayon iyong inilatag ko muna ang sirain mo kung gusto mo at patunayan sa akin na tagasunod ng Allah ang mga terorista kasi iyan ang paksa ko, hindi si Khadafi at hindi si Kab bin Ashraf.

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:40 pm

harballah wrote:Inulit mo na lang iyan ravlam, punta ka lang sa mga post ko bakrid mo na lang at huwag mong daanin sa paisa-isang talata ang usapin.

Kung gusto mong pagdebatihan iyan ay punta tayo sa ONE on ONE sa ngayon ay ayaw ko ng sirang plaka, hayaan mo na pag-usapan iyong premises ng thread ko.

Pili ka lang diyan sa binibigyan mo ng interpretasyon mo at dalhin natin sa debate para hindi tayo paulit-ulit sa ngayon iyong inilatag ko muna ang sirain mo kung gusto mo at patunayan sa akin na tagasunod ng Allah ang mga terorista kasi iyan ang paksa ko, hindi si Khadafi at hindi si Kab bin Ashraf.

Khaddafi and the deceit and murder of Kab ibin Ashraf is part of my argument...

We don't need a debate sa mga argumento lang natin dito sa thread ay magkakaalaman.


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Post by the700clowns on Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:17 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Ano? ang sabi mo ay "ang importante ay hindi sila ang aggressor"?
Mukhang di po ninyo na gets, ang mga muslim daw ay inordinahan o' nilikha upang makipagdigma...

Ibig sabihin ay kasama inuutusan kayong makipag digmaan...!!

Yung argument po ninyo na ginegera sila??? may sinabi ba diyan na kapag yayo ay ginegera...

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naku naman, in context nga dapat e, basahin ang buong Qur'an at makukuha ang prinsipyo ng Qur'an.

Qur’an 009:013 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Apostle, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

kita mo yan, hinihikayat lumaban... kanino pinalalaban?... doon sa mga naunang maging aggressor diba?! cyclops

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:35 pm

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naku naman, in context nga dapat e, basahin ang buong Qur'an at makukuha ang prinsipyo ng Qur'an.

Qur’an 009:013 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Apostle, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

kita mo yan, hinihikayat lumaban... kanino pinalalaban?... doon sa mga naunang maging aggressor diba?! cyclops


Naku naman Clown, malinaw ang sinabi sa talata na prescrimed ang fighting sa inyo, because it said that it is good for you.....Nakalimutan lo ata ang mga assasinations na ginawa ni Mohammad dahilan lamang sa kanyang mga tula....wag maging agressor tell me about the caravan attacks do you think they are aggressors? .....all of this because fighting is prescribed to you..
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Post by the700clowns on Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:07 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Naku naman Clown, malinaw ang sinabi sa talata na prescrimed ang fighting sa inyo, because it said that it is good for you.....Nakalimutan lo ata ang mga assasinations na ginawa ni Mohammad dahilan lamang sa kanyang mga tula....wag maging agressor tell me about the caravan attacks do you think they are aggressors? .....all of this because fighting is prescribed to you..

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mula pa nung sinauna e dapat nang makipaglaban kung kinakelangang lumaban, yan ang prinsipyo ng Islam, prescribed talaga yan.

prescribed nga ang fighting... pero sino ang adapat labanan?.. binigay ko na kung sino... mga aggressors; fighting a just war is not, and will never be wrong.

good for the Muslims nga... bakit good?... kasi nandun nakasalalay ang survival/mabuhay ng matiwasay nila.

caravan attacks?!... bakit inatake?... the war was well underway na nun, battle yun, na part ng war, pero sino nagsimula ng war?! atsaka meron silang ni-raid na caravan, pero yung laman nun e yung mga gamit ng Muslims na naiwan nila nung tumakas sila from the aggressors (Pagan Meccans), na kinuha ng mga Pagan Meccan para ibenta at pagkakitaan. atsaka, ang pag-atake sa economy, which funds the war is part ng strategy of war especially during those days.

again, ang importante e hindi Muslims ang nagstart ng war( hindi dapat gerahin ang mga nananahimik at walang ginagwang masama na bansa).
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:28 pm

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mula pa nung sinauna e dapat nang makipaglaban kung kinakelangang lumaban, yan ang prinsipyo ng Islam, prescribed talaga yan.

prescribed nga ang fighting... pero sino ang adapat labanan?.. binigay ko na kung sino... mga aggressors; fighting a just war is not, and will never be wrong.

good for the Muslims nga... bakit good?... kasi nandun nakasalalay ang survival/mabuhay ng matiwasay nila.

caravan attacks?!... bakit inatake?... the war was well underway na nun, battle yun, na part ng war, pero sino nagsimula ng war?! atsaka meron silang ni-raid na caravan, pero yung laman nun e yung mga gamit ng Muslims na naiwan nila nung tumakas sila from the aggressors (Pagan Meccans), na kinuha ng mga Pagan Meccan para ibenta at pagkakitaan. atsaka, ang pag-atake sa economy, which funds the war is part ng strategy of war especially during those days.

again, ang importante e hindi Muslims ang nagstart ng war( hindi dapat gerahin ang mga nananahimik at walang ginagwang masama na bansa).

You said that Mohammad didn't attack first, please read this:

Then what happed to Banu Mustaliq, an Arab
Who attacked first?

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani
Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being
watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women
and children were taken as captives"
(Bukhari46:717)

]Nang malapit nang mamatay si
Mohammad, iniutos niya ang isang pagatake upang ipalaganap ang islam

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to
a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you
have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained
from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually
fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah
and His Apostle and the rest is for you.
(Sahih Muslim4346)

Ito pa ang isa...
Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until
Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look
about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I
fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until
they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is
his Messenger…”
(Sahih Muslim 5917)


Nakasaad dito na ginamit ang pananakop upang ipalaganap ang islam...is this a just war? Obviously he started war.[/size]
Ito ay isa lamang sa mga violent verses:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever
ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and
practice regular charity, then open the way for them
(9:5)


Is this extortion???
Fight
those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the
religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.”
S. 9:29 Y. Ali

What is "Jizya" should the other religion pay for "jizya"?
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:26 pm

Ravlam puwede bang pag-usapan iyan sa ibang thread kasi nawawala na sa tema ang gusto kung pag-uusapan dito, tandaan mo na terorista ang gusto kung pag-usapan kung sila ba ay nakakasunod sa kautusan o sila ba ay tagasunod ng Allah.

Kung gusto mo gawa natin ng panibagong thread iyan kung okey lang po sa inyo para sa ganoon ay hindi po nawawala sa tema ang thread ko dito.

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Post by RavlaM on Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:59 pm

harballah wrote:Ravlam puwede bang pag-usapan iyan sa ibang thread kasi nawawala na sa tema ang gusto kung pag-uusapan dito, tandaan mo na terorista ang gusto kung pag-usapan kung sila ba ay nakakasunod sa kautusan o sila ba ay tagasunod ng Allah.

Binigyan ko lang ng tugon ang pinoste ni 700 clown.

Kung gusto mo gawa natin ng panibagong thread iyan kung okey lang po sa inyo para sa ganoon ay hindi po nawawala sa tema ang thread ko dito.
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Post by harballah on Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:03 pm

Make a new thread at doon natin pag-usapan iyan at doon mo rin imbitahan si clowns kasi nawawala na sa tema ang paksa ko at napupunta kana sa propheta at gumagawa ka ng sarili mong intepretasyon sa nababasa mo sa quran at hadith.

uulitin ko ang paksa ko dito ay ang mga terorista kung tunay ba silang tagasunod ng Allah, in fact inilatag ko itong mga talata sapagkat nais kung ipakita kung iyan ba ay hindi nalalabag ng mga terorista at kung nasusunod ba nila.

Post natin ulit para ipaalaala sa inyo ang topic ko.

harballah wrote:Madalas na ang topic dito ay ang pagkabit ng mga anti-islam na ang mga terorista ay tunay na tagasunod ng Allah, ngayon atin itong pag-usapan.

Ang sabi ng Allah sa banal na Quran.

3:117. What they spend in the life of this (material) world May be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls: it is not Allah that hath wronged them, but they wrong themselves.

3:118. O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.


Ano ba ang nais iparating ng Allah sa kapahayagan niyang ito, sakop ba ang mga pumapatay ng mga inosente at nagsasabing sila ay sa Allah subhana wa taalah.


Atin tunghayan at basahin ang nasa talatang ito.


4:29 O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!

Masasabi ba natin na sa Allah ang mga nagpapatiwakal at nagpapasabog ng kanilang sarili para sa sariling interes, narito ang nasa talatang iyan inyong basahin.

Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves = وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ

Ang sabi ng Allah ay ang buhay ay sagrado at walang puwedeng kumitil nito maliban lang kung hindi sinasadya o idinadaan sa paghatol sa husgado kung saan mahatulan sila ng kamatayan.



17.33 Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).


@Any question, ito po ay gawa ng inyong lingkod at hindi po ito galing sa anuman sites at sana po iwasan po ang baling paksa at sumunod lang po sa alinman talatang inilatag ko.

harballah wrote:sa pa sa ipinaalaala ng Allah subhana wa taalah na siyang aking sinusunod na kautusan niya.

5:8. And call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, and His covenant, which He ratified with you, when ye said: "We hear and we obey": And fear Allah, for Allah knoweth well the secrets of your hearts.


5:9. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.



Iyan ang dahilan kung bakit hindi po ako kabilang sa tinatawag ninyong terorista sapagkat malinaw ang aral at pahayag ng Allah sa amin.

siya ang nakakaalam kung anuman ang nasa puso namin at hindi kayo, kaya nga sabi niya "for Allah knoweth well the secrets of your hearts"

sinabi rin niya na maging parehas kami sa pagtingin sa sinuman (muslim man o kristiyano) at huwag mamuhi sa kanila upang hindi kami humantong sa kamalian at kawalan ng hustisya, sa tingin kaya ninyo ay ginawa ito ng mga terorista at sila ay tagasunod ng Allah.

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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by RavlaM on Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:43 pm

harballah wrote:Make a new thread at doon natin pag-usapan iyan at doon mo rin imbitahan si clowns kasi nawawala na sa tema ang paksa ko at napupunta kana sa propheta at gumagawa ka ng sarili mong intepretasyon sa nababasa mo sa quran at hadith.

uulitin ko ang paksa ko dito ay ang mga terorista kung tunay ba silang tagasunod ng Allah, in fact inilatag ko itong mga talata sapagkat nais kung ipakita kung iyan ba ay hindi nalalabag ng mga terorista at kung nasusunod ba nila.

Post natin ulit para ipaalaala sa inyo ang topic ko.




Tinutugon ko lang naman ang mga pinoste ni Clown, kung hindi pa siya satisfied eh di magbukas siya ng panibago. Anyway pareho lang naman kayo ng tinutumbok.
Hindi mo maaring sabihin na sa "Anti Islam" ko nakukuha ang argumento ko, in fact lahat ng talatang inilatag ko ay galing sa Quran o haditn.

ngayon pagusapan natin ang mga talata mo...kahit na hindi mo gustong talakayin ang mga talatang inilatag ko..
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Sabi mo:

3:117. What they spend in the life of this (material) world May be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It
strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls: it is not Allah that hath wronged them, but they wrong themselves.



3:118. O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt
you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.


Ano ba ang nais iparating ng Allah sa kapahayagan niyang ito, sakop ba ang mga pumapatay ng mga inosente at nagsasabing sila ay sa Allah subhana wa taalah.

Tugon ko:
Utang na loob, naglaglag ka ng talata mo na di ka man lang mag komento...bagkus ako pa ang tatanungin mo???

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Sabi mo:

Atin tunghayan at basahin ang nasa talatang ito.


4:29 O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!

Masasab ba natin na sa Allah ang mga nagpapatiwakal at nagpapasabog ng kanilang sarili para sa sariling interes, narito ang nasa talatang iyan inyong basahin.

Tugon ko:
Hindi ba ang ibig sabihin niyan ay:
Huwag mong patayin ang sarili mo sa pagiging sakim at "exessive pride" o vanity???
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Sabi mo:

Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves = وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ


Angsabi ng Allah ay ang buhay ay sagrado at walang puwedeng kumitil nito maliban lang kung hindi sinasadya o idinadaan sa paghatol sa husgado kung saan mahatulan sila ng kamatayan.

Sagot ko:


Your verse before this also spoke of "do not kill yourself" it it obvious that it didn't speak of killing ones self to harm anybody, your verse "Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves = وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ " literally means do not kill yourself as in suicide because of misfortunes, problems, etc...and not killing ones self to attack enemy positions.
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Sabi mo:

17.33 Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause.And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).


@Any
question, ito po ay gawa ng inyong lingkod at hindi po ito galing sa anuman sites at sana po iwasan po ang baling paksa at sumunod lang po sa alinman talatang inilatag ko.[/quote]

Sagot ko:

The question is the term "just cause" didnt allah commanded you to search and kill the pagans and polytheist ...is it a "just cause" This speaks of senseless murder, maybe like Mohammad's order to assasinate poets who criticized him thru poems...
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Sabi mo:
5:8. And call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, and His covenant, which He ratified with you, when ye said: "We hear and we obey": And fear Allah, for Allah knoweth well the secrets of your hearts.


5:9. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.



Iyanang dahilan kung bakit hindi po ako kabilang sa tinatawag ninyong terorista sapagkat malinaw ang aral at pahayag ng Allah sa amin.siya ang nakakaalam kung anuman ang nasa puso namin at hindi kayo, kaya nga sabi niya "for Allah knoweth well the secrets of your hearts"

sinabi rin niya na maging parehas kami sa pagtingin sa sinuman (muslim man o kristiyano) at huwag mamuhi sa kanila upang hindi kami humantong sa kamalian at kawalan ng hustisya, sa tingin kaya ninyo ay ginawa ito ng
mga terorista at sila ay tagasunod ng Allah.

Sagot ko:

I won't question your issue about allah knows whats in your heart. I would just want to remind you that Allah said that fighting is ordained to you, he said that fighting is good for you. Allah also said that those who fight and victorious and those killed will be given vast reward.

I hope you can also see my past posts and verses..



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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:34 am

Hindi kaba puwedeng magkowt ng malinaw Ravlam, hindi ka naman ganyan magpost sa kabilang forum pero bakit dito ang gulo Rolling Eyes

Sinasadya mo bang maging magulo.

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Post by RavlaM on Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:49 am

harballah wrote:Hindi kaba puwedeng magkowt ng malinaw Ravlam, hindi ka naman ganyan magpost sa kabilang forum pero bakit dito ang gulo Rolling Eyes

Sinasadya mo bang maging magulo.

Pasensya ka na kasi minamadali ko at galing ako sa 48 hrs duty..

Maayus na yan ..sana mg enjoy ka na sa pagbabasa..hehehe
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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by the700clowns on Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:43 am

Malvar, sinasagot ko lang ang mga argumento mo, ikaw ang off-topic.

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Re: Ang terorista ba ay tagasunod ng allah

Post by harballah on Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:04 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Pasensya ka na kasi minamadali ko at galing ako sa 48 hrs duty..

Maayus na yan ..sana mg enjoy ka na sa pagbabasa..hehehe

Brad huwag mong daanin sa pagmamadali kasi masakit sa mata ang pagkowt mo ng mga post ko, in fact mas maganda pa nga iyong ginagawa ko na pagkulay na pino-problema mo kaya puwede ako naman pagbigyan mo, pakikowt lang po at para maipakita ko sa iyo sa bawat kowt mo ang sagot.

Natawa pa nga ako sa sagot mo doon sa unang kinowt mo na talata kung saan ang sabi mo lang.

Tugon ko:
Utang na loob, naglaglag ka ng talata mo na di ka man lang mag komento...bagkus ako pa ang tatanungin mo???

Sagot ba iyan affraid

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Post by RavlaM on Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:07 pm

harballah wrote:

Brad huwag mong daanin sa pagmamadali kasi masakit sa mata ang pagkowt mo ng mga post ko, in fact mas maganda pa nga iyong ginagawa ko na pagkulay na pino-problema mo kaya puwede ako naman pagbigyan mo, pakikowt lang po at para maipakita ko sa iyo sa bawat kowt mo ang sagot.

Natawa pa nga ako sa sagot mo doon sa unang kinowt mo na talata kung saan ang sabi mo lang.



Sagot ba iyan affraid

Nakakatuwa nga eh..maglalaglag ng talata di man lang estimahin ang talata..ang gusto pa eh ako pa ang mg react...Utang na loob..hehehe
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