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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:33 pm

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Didn't I tell you that God has the right to take any life in any manner he prefers...Are you telling me that Allah has no such rights.

Pero hindi ang Diyos mo ang gumanap nito hindi ba at mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ito, tama ba?

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:03 am

Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions..

Do you believe that there are a lot of Muslim terrorists in this present time?

Do you believe that the "takbir" is being used by Muslim terrorists as their battle cry?
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:01 am

RavlaM wrote:Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions..

Do you believe that there are a lot of Muslim terrorists in this present time?

Do you believe that the "takbir" is being used by Muslim terrorists as their battle cry?

Sige pagbigyan kita baka maging dahilan mo pa iyan para hindi sumagot sa tanong ko, pero dapat tanggapin mo ang sagot ko at sumagot karin.

1) Mayroon nga pong terorista sa panahon na ito sa kadahilanan nagsimula ito sa panahon ng pang-aapi ng Israel sa mga Palestino na nag-ugat upang maging terorista sila ngunit ito ay hindi dahilan para mandamay ng inosenteng tao sapagkat labag ito sa kautusan ng Allah.

2) Kung ginamit man nila ang takbir ay hindi dahilan para sabihin na ito ay sang-ayon sa katuruan ng Allah sapagkat noon pa ay ginagawa na ito ng mga ipokrito at ito ay mismong nakatala sa Quran, basa po kayo.

And the Hypocrites also. These were told: "come, fight in the way of Allah, or (at least) drive (The foe from your city)." They said: "Had we known how to fight, we should certainly have followed you." They were that day nearer to Unbelief than to Faith, saying with their lips what was not in their hearts but Allah hath full knowledge of all they conceal. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #167)


Ayan po nasagot kana ravlam at sana huwag ka ng gumawa ng dahilan para hindi sagutin ang tanong ko, uulitin ko ang tanong ko.

Harballah wrote:Pero hindi ang Diyos mo ang gumanap nito hindi ba at mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ito, tama ba?

Pakisagot lang po ng deretsahan kung papaano deretsahan sinagot ang tanong mo.

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by Gordon on Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:10 am

the700clowns wrote:Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:


pati mga bata pinapapatay, yan ang talagang terrorism, wala nyan sa Qur'an! Mad

Actually what is being described above is more precisely described as GENOCIDE and not terrorism.
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:48 pm

genocide pala iyan brad, kaya ba ganyan ang ginawa ng mga katoliko dati sa mga hindi nila kapanampalataya na sila ang gumawa imbes na ang Diyos ang gumawa para dito.

Matanong lang kita, sino po ang gumawa ng genocide diyan ang Diyos mo ba o mayroon siyang inutusan.

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:41 pm

harballah wrote:genocide pala iyan brad, kaya ba ganyan ang ginawa ng mga katoliko dati sa mga hindi nila kapanampalataya na sila ang gumawa imbes na ang Diyos ang gumawa para dito.

Matanong lang kita, sino po ang gumawa ng genocide diyan ang Diyos mo ba o mayroon siyang inutusan.

I hope Harby could provide proof if what he's saying really happened..
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:08 pm

RavlaM wrote:

I hope Harby could provide proof if what he's saying really happened..


Brad nasagot ko na iyong tanong mo at huwag iyong post ko kay gordon ang intindihin mo kundi iyong pangako mo na kapag sinagot kita ay sasagot karin, in fact dapat hindi kita sasagutin kasi kayo ang pinasasagot dito pero pinagbigyan kita kasi para makasagot ka sa tanong.

Pakisagot na po ito.

Harballah wrote:Pero hindi ang Diyos mo ang gumanap nito hindi ba at mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ito, tama ba?

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:11 pm

Brad ravlam please tumupad ka sa usapin basi sa sinabi mo diyan sa akin sa redmark.


RavlaM wrote:Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions..

Do you believe that there are a lot of Muslim terrorists in this present time?

Do you believe that the "takbir" is being used by Muslim terrorists as their battle cry?

harballah wrote:
Sige pagbigyan kita baka maging dahilan mo pa iyan para hindi sumagot sa tanong ko, pero dapat tanggapin mo ang sagot ko at sumagot karin.

1) Mayroon nga pong terorista sa panahon na ito sa kadahilanan nagsimula ito sa panahon ng pang-aapi ng Israel sa mga Palestino na nag-ugat upang maging terorista sila ngunit ito ay hindi dahilan para mandamay ng inosenteng tao sapagkat labag ito sa kautusan ng Allah.

2) Kung ginamit man nila ang takbir ay hindi dahilan para sabihin na ito ay sang-ayon sa katuruan ng Allah sapagkat noon pa ay ginagawa na ito ng mga ipokrito at ito ay mismong nakatala sa Quran, basa po kayo.

And the Hypocrites also. These were told: "come, fight in the way of Allah, or (at least) drive (The foe from your city)." They said: "Had we known how to fight, we should certainly have followed you." They were that day nearer to Unbelief than to Faith, saying with their lips what was not in their hearts but Allah hath full knowledge of all they conceal. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #167)


Ayan po nasagot kana ravlam at sana huwag ka ng gumawa ng dahilan para hindi sagutin ang tanong ko, uulitin ko ang tanong ko.



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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:36 pm

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Brad nasagot ko na iyong tanong mo at huwag iyong post ko kay gordon ang intindihin mo kundi iyong pangako mo na kapag sinagot kita ay sasagot karin, in fact dapat hindi kita sasagutin kasi kayo ang pinasasagot dito pero pinagbigyan kita kasi para makasagot ka sa tanong.

Pakisagot na po ito.


Your issue on terrorism in the Bible has crumbled, thanks to Gordon. It was genocide and not terrorism...
This thread should be closed unless you want to talk about the Quran.
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:03 pm

Please nangako ka na sasagot ka ng deretsahan kapag sinagot kita, nasaan na ang pangako mo at pagkatapos kitang sagutin ay ipapasara mo na lang.

Don't ignored my post.

Harballah wrote:
Pero hindi ang Diyos mo ang gumanap nito hindi ba at mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ito, tama ba?


Answer me please!

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:24 pm

harballah wrote:Please nangako ka na sasagot ka ng deretsahan kapag sinagot kita, nasaan na ang pangako mo at pagkatapos kitang sagutin ay ipapasara mo na lang.

Don't ignored my post.




Answer me please!

I didn't promise anything Harballah, I merely bargained so that I can compel you to answer my question. Now that your issue on terrorism in the Bible has crumbled, there is no need to continue,.
Not unless you want us to talk about terrorism in the Quran...

Pakisara na lang po...
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:36 pm

Gordon wrote:

Actually what is being described above is more precisely described as GENOCIDE and not terrorism.

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wow! very "intellectual" na panlaban sa atake hehehe...

parang ganito yan e,

petra: "hoy juana, yung asawa mo masamang tao, nangugulpi yan"

juana: ano ka?! hindi masamang tao ang asawa ko, hindi sya nanggugulpi, nangingidnap lang sya at nagre-rape!"

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:42 pm

Maniwala ka Mr 700 Clown hindi atake yan ..paglilinaw lang...
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:56 pm

RavlaM wrote:Maniwala ka Mr 700 Clown hindi atake yan ..paglilinaw lang...

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no RavlaM, hindi ko sinasabi na umaatake sya dun sa post nya na yun, ang sabi ko, PANLABAN (nya) sa atake (ko).
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:18 pm

the700clowns wrote:

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wow! very "intellectual" na panlaban sa atake hehehe...

parang ganito yan e,

petra: "hoy juana, yung asawa mo masamang tao, nangugulpi yan"

juana: ano ka?! hindi masamang tao ang asawa ko, hindi sya nanggugulpi, nangingidnap lang sya at nagre-rape!"

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I suggest that this thread be closed.
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:27 pm

RavlaM wrote:

I suggest that this thread be closed.

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:33 pm

RavlaM wrote:
I didn't promise anything Harballah, I merely bargained so that I can compel you to answer my question. Now that your issue on terrorism in the Bible has crumbled, there is no need to continue,.
Not unless you want us to talk about terrorism in the Quran...

Pakisara na lang po...

So ganoon lang pala iyan magbaling paksa ka sa Islam, pinagbigyan kita na sagutin basta sumagot ka lang sa tanong ko then sa bandang huli ganyan lang ang sasabihin mo.

So, next time ba dapat hindi muna ako sasagot hanggang wala kang pangako sa akin ganoon ba, ito nga malinaw ang usapin natin at i-summarize natin ulit.



RavlaM wrote:Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions..

Do you believe that there are a lot of Muslim terrorists in this present time?

Do you believe that the "takbir" is being used by Muslim terrorists as their battle cry?

harballah wrote:
Sige pagbigyan kita baka maging dahilan mo pa iyan para hindi sumagot sa tanong ko, pero dapat tanggapin mo ang sagot ko at sumagot karin.

1) Mayroon nga pong terorista sa panahon na ito sa kadahilanan nagsimula ito sa panahon ng pang-aapi ng Israel sa mga Palestino na nag-ugat upang maging terorista sila ngunit ito ay hindi dahilan para mandamay ng inosenteng tao sapagkat labag ito sa kautusan ng Allah.

2) Kung ginamit man nila ang takbir ay hindi dahilan para sabihin na ito ay sang-ayon sa katuruan ng Allah sapagkat noon pa ay ginagawa na ito ng mga ipokrito at ito ay mismong nakatala sa Quran, basa po kayo.

And the Hypocrites also. These were told: "come, fight in the way of Allah, or (at least) drive (The foe from your city)." They said: "Had we known how to fight, we should certainly have followed you." They were that day nearer to Unbelief than to Faith, saying with their lips what was not in their hearts but Allah hath full knowledge of all they conceal. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #167)


Ayan po nasagot kana ravlam at sana huwag ka ng gumawa ng dahilan para hindi sagutin ang tanong ko, uulitin ko ang tanong ko.




Hindi ba nakakatuwa na ang sabi mo ay ganito.

RavlaM wrote:Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions..

then sasabihin mo ngayon sa akin ay ganito.

RavlaM wrote:
I didn't promise anything Harballah, I merely bargained so that I can compel you to answer my question.


Nasaan na ang salita mo ravlam No

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:13 am

Harballah, kung itutuloy pa natin ito ay out of topic na.
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:21 am

RavlaM wrote:Harballah, kung itutuloy pa natin ito ay out of topic na.

Papaano naging out of topic atsaka simpleng tanong lang iyan para sabihin mo na out of topic ang pupuntahan ng tanong ko.

Alam mo brad naghintay ako ng sagot mo at hindi kita minadali para sagutin iyan, ang linaw ng sinabi mo sa akin "Before I answer your question please answer my previous questions" na sa madaling salita ay nangangahulugan na sasagot ka pero ngayon iba na ang sinasabi mo, so huling tanong masasagot mo ba ito o hindi kasi kung hindi wala na akong magagawa kundi hayaan na lang ang mambabasa na makita ang tinakasan mong tanong sa inyo.


BTW, may naiwan pang usapan sila clowns at gordon kaya hindi ko muna maisasara ang thread na ito.

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Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:00 am

Harballah, malinaw naman na ng collapse na ang argumento ninyo. Kung babasahin ninyo ang title ng hread na ito ang tinukoy ninyo at terrorismo.

Malinaw po na hindi terrorismo ang nangyari kundi "genocide"

Kung sasagutin ko pa ang katanungan ninyo ay mapapariwara na tayo at mawawala sa topic.

Hindi ako tumatakas Harby, I just don't want this thread to be blown out of topic.

Tapos na po, napatunayan na po na hindi terrorism ang talatang inilatag ninyo.
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Post by harballah on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:30 am

RavlaM wrote:Harballah, malinaw naman na ng collapse na ang argumento ninyo. Kung babasahin ninyo ang title ng hread na ito ang tinukoy ninyo at terrorismo.

Malinaw po na hindi terrorismo ang nangyari kundi "genocide"

Kung sasagutin ko pa ang katanungan ninyo ay mapapariwara na tayo at mawawala sa topic.

Hindi ako tumatakas Harby, I just don't want this thread to be blown out of topic.

Tapos na po, napatunayan na po na hindi terrorism ang talatang inilatag ninyo.


Brad saan ba galing iyong tanong ko sa naging tugon ba ni gordon about genocide theory niya, please balikan mo para malaman mo at masagot na ang tanong ko pagkatapos mong gawin alibay ang post ni gordon.

Again, magpakakalalaki ka o hindi kaya sabihin mo lang na sukol ka at hindi mo kayang sagutin ang tanong ko kasi mawawalan ng pagalalapatan ang alibay mo na kagustuhan ng Diyos ang lahat kaya nangyayari ang lahat doon sa talata sa Old Testament.

Pasalamat ka pinababayaan na kita na tao ang huhusga, pero ito ka isinisingit mo naman ang post ni gordon sa tanong ko, iba ang tanong ko kay gordon na naghihintay ng sagot mula sa kanya at iba rin ang tanong ko para sa inyo.

In fact ang dami pong talata diyan na inilatag ko tulad nito, ngayon Diyos ba ang gumawa niyan o mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ang ipinag-uutos niya na huwag iwan ng buhay ang lahat maski na siguro iyong mga sanggol na nasa inilatag ko sa inyo.


harballah wrote:Huwag mo rin kalimutan na mayroon inuutusan ang Diyos mo na pumatay at umubos ng mga inosente tulad ni Moses at Joshua.

Tulad nito.


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Post by RavlaM on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:34 am

harballah wrote:


Brad saan ba galing iyong tanong ko sa naging tugon ba ni gordon about genocide theory niya, please balikan mo para malaman mo at masagot na ang tanong ko pagkatapos mong gawin alibay ang post ni gordon.

Again, magpakakalalaki ka o hindi kaya sabihin mo lang na sukol ka at hindi mo kayang sagutin ang tanong ko kasi mawawalan ng pagalalapatan ang alibay mo na kagustuhan ng Diyos ang lahat kaya nangyayari ang lahat doon sa talata sa Old Testament.

Pasalamat ka pinababayaan na kita na tao ang huhusga, pero ito ka isinisingit mo naman ang post ni gordon sa tanong ko, iba ang tanong ko kay gordon na naghihintay ng sagot mula sa kanya at iba rin ang tanong ko para sa inyo.

In fact ang dami pong talata diyan na inilatag ko tulad nito, ngayon Diyos ba ang gumawa niyan o mayroon siyang inutusan na gawin ang ipinag-uutos niya na huwag iwan ng buhay ang lahat maski na siguro iyong mga sanggol na nasa inilatag ko sa inyo.



Patunayan mo muna na hindi genocide yan.
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Post by harballah on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:40 am

brad marunong ka bang sumunod ng daloy ng usapan, hindi mo ba nabasa iyong inilatag ko ulit at may tanong ako sa inyo puwede sumagot ka o baka gusto mong hintayin na si gordon ang sumagot sa iyo.

nakakatuwa ka naman ginagamit mo ang rason ni gordon na genocide, pero ano ba ang genocide tama po ba iyan ?

Ano ba ang tawag mo dito?


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Post by Gordon on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:18 pm

Sorry for this delayed reply. For some reason I'm having difficulty logging on this forum at my other location.

Anyway... terrorism is generally accepted to mean as acts of violence or destruction against civilians and non-military installations in the furtherance of a POLITICAL objective.

The only situation where I saw a confluence of both Genocide and Terrorism was in the war in Bosnia in the 1990's. Here the situation was called ETHNIC CLEANSING.
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Post by the700clowns on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:46 pm

Gordon wrote:Sorry for this delayed reply. For some reason I'm having difficulty logging on this forum at my other location.

Anyway... terrorism is generally accepted to mean as acts of violence or destruction against civilians and non-military installations in the furtherance of a POLITICAL objective.

The only situation where I saw a confluence of both Genocide and Terrorism was in the war in Bosnia in the 1990's. Here the situation was called ETHNIC CLEANSING.

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