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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:08 am

RavlaM wrote:

Harballah, ang topic dito ay forgiveness and loving thy enemies...nasagot ko na yan walang revenge sa amin di kagaya ninyo..ang hustisya ninyo ay revenge.


Sigurado kang walang revenge sa inyo, kaya mo bang patunayan iyan?


So ang sagot mo na doon sa tanong ko ay hahayaan mo na ang lalapastangan sa pamilya mo at magmasaker, kasi sabi mo nga ang gusto mong pairalin ay ang forgiveness and loving tama ba. lol!

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:52 am

O sige na nga pareho naman kayo ni 7oo clowns na imaginary situations ang atake...eto ang ipinost ko sa kabila..

First of all we have the obligation to take care of our body. Our bodies
are His property so we are not permitted to destroy it or let others
destroy it.

19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and
ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. (1Co 6:19-20 ASV)
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We have an obligation to preserve the body and life of other people. Psalm 82:4 even cites an obligation to protect
those who are in danger:

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

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If you know danger is coming to others, and you deliberately fail to warn the others of the danger, you are guilty of harming the victims.

Ezekiel 33 "... 6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
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Exodus 22 2-3
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If a thief is found dbreaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then ehe shall be sold for his theft.

Obviously here we see that when a thief breaks into someone’s house at night and that person defends his home and slays the thief, God does not hold that death over the defender’s head. However, God does not wish
for anyone to take law into his or her own hands. This is why it is said that if a thief is struck down during the daylight the defender is guilty of bloodshed. Now this is speaking of thievery, not an attack. So
if the thief were to attack the defender even during the day, self-defense would be justified.
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Sana basahin mo harballah..napakaganda ng mga talatang yan..
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:32 am

terrorism ang usapan dito, baka dapat dun sa kabila nyo pag-usapan yang love your enemies. RavlaM, labanan mo argumento ko. tama ba o mali ang pagdamay at pagpatay sa mga innocent civilians?
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:24 pm

the700clowns wrote:terrorism ang usapan dito, baka dapat dun sa kabila nyo pag-usapan yang love your enemies. RavlaM, labanan mo argumento ko. tama ba o mali ang pagdamay at pagpatay sa mga innocent civilians?

Clown kung inintindi mo lamang ang mga talata na pinoste ko ay matutugunan ang katanungan mo..

Unang una wala kaming karapatang pumatay...
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:42 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Clown kung inintindi mo lamang ang mga talata na pinoste ko ay matutugunan ang katanungan mo..

Unang una wala kaming karapatang pumatay...

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puro paiwas ang sagot mo... tama ba o mali ang pagdamay at pagpatay sa mga innocent civilians?
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Post by RavlaM on Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:39 pm

the700clowns wrote:

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puro paiwas ang sagot mo... tama ba o mali ang pagdamay at pagpatay sa mga innocent civilians?

Kung sinunod mo lang ang payo ko na basahin ang nakaraang post ko ay makikita mo ito:

First of all we have the obligation to take care of our body. Our bodies are His property so we are not permitted to destroy it or let others destroy it.

19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and
ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. (1Co 6:19-20 ASV)

Napakagandang aral di po ba?

Alam mo ba na hindi nararapat sa amin ang paghihiganti?

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



Proverbs 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:



Proverbs 24:29 Say not, I will do so to him as he hath done to me: I will render to the man according to his work.

Unang una hindi kami karapat dapat pumatay.....
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:00 pm

RavlaM wrote:O sige na nga pareho naman kayo ni 7oo clowns na imaginary situations ang atake...eto ang ipinost ko sa kabila..

First of all we have the obligation to take care of our body. Our bodies
are His property so we are not permitted to destroy it or let others
destroy it.

19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and
ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. (1Co 6:19-20 ASV)
============================
We have an obligation to preserve the body and life of other people. Psalm 82:4 even cites an obligation to protect
those who are in danger:

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

========================
If you know danger is coming to others, and you deliberately fail to warn the others of the danger, you are guilty of harming the victims.

Ezekiel 33 "... 6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
===============================

Exodus 22 2-3
2
If a thief is found dbreaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then ehe shall be sold for his theft.

Obviously here we see that when a thief breaks into someone’s house at night and that person defends his home and slays the thief, God does not hold that death over the defender’s head. However, God does not wish
for anyone to take law into his or her own hands. This is why it is said that if a thief is struck down during the daylight the defender is guilty of bloodshed. Now this is speaking of thievery, not an attack. So
if the thief were to attack the defender even during the day, self-defense would be justified.
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Sana basahin mo harballah..napakaganda ng mga talatang yan..


brad pakisagot lang ng deretsahan ang tanong ni clowns huwag mo kaming daanin sa talata na hindi naman ninyo kayang tindigan No

Ikaw rin ang maysabi diyan na post mo sa kabila, bakit mo dinadala dito.

RavlaM wrote:eto ang ipinost ko sa kabila..




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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by the700clowns on Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:04 pm

harballah wrote:


brad pakisagot lang ng deretsahan ang tanong ni clowns huwag mo kaming daanin sa talata na hindi naman ninyo kayang tindigan No

Ikaw rin ang maysabi diyan na post mo sa kabila, bakit mo dinadala dito.



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tama bro, hindi naman kasi ang principles ng Christianity regarding terrorism ang tinatanong ko, Bible kasi ang usapan dito hindi lang christianity, at nagbigay ako ng verse from the Bible kung saan pinapapatay ang mga innocent civilians, kaya tinatanong ko sa kanya kung tama ba yun o mali.

RavlaM, tama ba o mali ang pumatay ng innocent civilians?!
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Post by RavlaM on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:30 pm

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tama bro, hindi naman kasi ang principles ng Christianity regarding terrorism ang tinatanong ko, Bible kasi ang usapan dito hindi lang christianity, at nagbigay ako ng verse from the Bible kung saan pinapapatay ang mga innocent civilians, kaya tinatanong ko sa kanya kung tama ba yun o mali.

RavlaM, tama ba o mali ang pumatay ng innocent civilians?!

Malabo ang statement mong yan malinaw na ang prinsiples ng Christianity ay galing sa Bible, inilahad ko sa iyo ang pagpapahalaga ng buhay at ang ating katawan as temple of the holy spirit..malinaw din na sinaad ko sa iyo na walang revenge sa amin ang we are commanded to forgive...so how then should we condone in innocent killings when we do not even kill the guilty.
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Post by the700clowns on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:52 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Malabo ang statement mong yan malinaw na ang prinsiples ng Christianity ay galing sa Bible, inilahad ko sa iyo ang pagpapahalaga ng buhay at ang ating katawan as temple of the holy spirit..malinaw din na sinaad ko sa iyo na walang revenge sa amin ang we are commanded to forgive...so how then should we condone in innocent killings when we do not even kill the guilty.

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di ko alam kung mahina kang umintindi o style dedma ka lang,

Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:


wala ba sa Bible to?! agree ka ba na tama yang verse na yan o mali?!
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Post by RavlaM on Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:46 pm

the700clowns wrote:

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di ko alam kung mahina kang umintindi o style dedma ka lang,

Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:


wala ba sa Bible to?! agree ka ba na tama yang verse na yan o mali?!

Wala akong sinasabing wala sa Old testament yan, kaya nga po sinasabi mo sa iyo ang mabuting balita sa New Testament...We don't do revenge we don't hurt our enemies if we have any.
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Post by harballah on Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:52 pm

RavlaM wrote:

Wala akong sinasabing wala sa Old testament yan, kaya nga po sinasabi mo sa iyo ang mabuting balita sa New Testament...We don't do revenge we don't hurt our enemies if we have any.

So, sa inyong pagtanggap sa talatang iyan ay hindi po ba nagpapakita ng terorismo.......tama ba?

Atsaka huwag mong idawit ang salita ni Pablo kundi ang pinag-uusapan ay ang salita ng Diyos ninyo sa OLD TESTAMENT.

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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:41 am

harballah wrote:

So, sa inyong pagtanggap sa talatang iyan ay hindi po ba nagpapakita ng terorismo.......tama ba?

Atsaka huwag mong idawit ang salita ni Pablo kundi ang pinag-uusapan ay ang salita ng Diyos ninyo sa OLD TESTAMENT.

Nakakalimutan mo ata na Kristiyano ako Harballah, hueag mong alisin sa usapin ang New Testament..


Romans 12:19-21



Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To
the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty,
give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals
on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Napaka ganda di po ba...kung nagugutom ang iyong kaaway..pakainin mo siya, kung siya ay nauuhaw bigyan mo siya ng maiinom.
Tanong ko lang sa iyo, bakit may mga terroristang muslim sa ating panahon ngayon?
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Re: terrorism: Bible vs Qur'an

Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:45 am

RavlaM wrote:

Nakakalimutan mo ata na Kristiyano ako Harballah, hueag mong alisin sa usapin ang New Testament..


Romans 12:19-21



Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To
the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty,
give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals
on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Napaka ganda di po ba...kung nagugutom ang iyong kaaway..pakainin mo siya, kung siya ay nauuhaw bigyan mo siya ng maiinom.
Tanong ko lang sa iyo, bakit may mga terroristang muslim sa ating panahon ngayon?

Tama ka kristiyano ka pero ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay ang bibliya o ang utos ng bibliya mo na naayon sa ipinakita ni clowns.


Ito kasi ang post ni clowns na dini-dedma mo.

the700clowns wrote:di ko alam kung mahina kang umintindi o style dedma ka lang,

Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

wala ba sa Bible to?! agree ka ba na tama yang verse na yan o mali?!

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Post by RavlaM on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:56 am

harballah wrote:

Tama ka kristiyano ka pero ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay ang bibliya o ang utos ng bibliya mo na naayon sa ipinakita ni clowns.


Ito kasi ang post ni clowns na dini-dedma mo.


Salamat na lang at may New Testament sa pamamagitan ni Jesus Christ, kung hindi siguro napakagulo ng mundo...
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Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:02 am

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Salamat na lang at may New Testament sa pamamagitan ni Jesus Christ, kung hindi siguro napakagulo ng mundo...

So ano ang sagot mo naghihintay kami, terorista ba ang Diyos mo noon sa OT ?

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So ano ang sagot mo naghihintay kami, terorista ba ang Diyos mo noon sa OT ?

Malinaw na ang Panginoon at ang may bigay ng buhay sa bawat isa sa atin...may karapatang kunin ng Panginoon kahit kaninong buhay...
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Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:41 am

RavlaM wrote:

Malinaw na ang Panginoon at ang may bigay ng buhay sa bawat isa sa atin...may karapatang kunin ng Panginoon kahit kaninong buhay...

Bakit ba hindi ka makasagot ng deretsahan, basi ba doon sa inilatag ni clowns ay masasabi mo bang hindi terorismo iyan basi sa definition ninyo sa mga terorista ngayon.



the700clowns wrote:Ravlam, at kung sino pa ang gustong lumaban, dito natin pag-usapan ang terrorism. Very Happy

ang accepted meaning ng terrorism ngayon e deliberate attack on innocent people, or threat of attack on innocent people, mga taong walang kasalanan sa conflict na dinadamay. never mind kung anong definition ng dictionary, pag sinabi "terrorism" e ang nasaisip ng tao e pagpatay ng innocent people/civilians tulad pagpapasabog sa crowded places na maraming civilians.

tignan natin ang Bible:

Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:


pati mga bata pinapapatay, yan ang talagang terrorism, wala nyan sa Qur'an! Mad

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Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:42 am

Huwag mo rin kalimutan na mayroon inuutusan ang Diyos mo na pumatay at umubos ng mga inosente tulad ni Moses at Joshua.

Tulad nito.


Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes

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Post by reborn on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:37 am

bkit dpo msagot ng deretso ni rav ang tanong ni kuya harby and 700clowns
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Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:40 am

reborn wrote:bkit dpo msagot ng deretso ni rav ang tanong ni kuya harby and 700clowns

Masyado kasing brutal at marahas ang Diyos nila sa Old Testament pero nakakapagtaka kasi kung susundan natin ang kanilang paniniwala ay mismong si Hesus din iyon kasi exist sa kanila si Hesus at ito rin persona daw na ito ang nagpapakita Laughing

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Post by reborn on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:44 am

kya po pala dpo mkasagot ng deretso si rav kasi nga pala old testament gnagamit po ninyo kuya harby
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Post by harballah on Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:46 am

reborn wrote:kya po pala dpo mkasagot ng deretso si rav kasi nga pala old testament gnagamit po ninyo kuya harby

Sigurado ko ang gagamitin ulit niyan sa akin ay ang nasa new testament at tatakasan naman ang inilatag ko na galing sa kautusan ng Diyos nila, okey lang sana kung ibinasura na nila ang OT atleast hindi na nila ginagamit kaso ginagamit parin nila ito pero kapag pinakitaan ng galing dito ay sasabihin na nasa NT na daw sila, iyong kasulatan na hindi naman puro salita ng Diyos kasi inamin na iyan ng kausap ko sa kabilang forum Wink

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Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:11 am

reborn wrote:bkit dpo msagot ng deretso ni rav ang tanong ni kuya harby and 700clowns

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yan ang tinatawag na taktikang iwas hehehe
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Post by the700clowns on Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:21 am

Ravlam, ang argumento ko e simple lang, kahit grade 5 e maiintidihan, ke nagtuturo sa Christians o hindi ng terrorism ang Bible e hindi yun ang point; ang point e nag-utos ng terrorism ang Bible at some point, bagay na hindi tinuro ng Qur'an kelanman, kung meron mang pagpatay na utos sa Quran e hindi against innocent people tulad ng bata, at pwedeng kunin in context kung bakit at sino ang pinapapatay using other verses; pero sa Bible tulad ng verse na to e hindi ito masasalva ng ibang verse dahil malinaw na pinapatay ang innocent civilians dito (deliberately)


Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:


mali ang terrorism o pagpatay deliberately ng innocent people/civilians sa gera at yan ang nangyari dito sa verse na to, therefore mali ang Bible unless tatanggapin mo na tama ang terrorism. Shocked
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