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Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 8:07 am

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/global-filipino/world/05/01/11/john-paul-ii-beatified-way-sainthood


Nais kung malaman sa mga kapatid na katoliko kung bakit nasabi sa balitang iyan na dahil sa pagiging ganap na santo ni John Paul II ay hudyat na daw na maari ng magdasal o dasalan si John Paul II, matutunghayan ang nabanggit na ito sa bidyong iyan sa time na 01:20.

Please explain...

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 2:16 pm

Actually noon pa man din pwede ng humingi ng intersession of prayers kay Pope john Paul 2nd.
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 2:51 pm

Dhugz wrote:Actually noon pa man din pwede ng humingi ng intersession of prayers kay Pope john Paul 2nd.

Hindi ko maintindihan dhugz kasi ang sabi sa balita ay puwede ng dasalan, para saan ba ang pagdarasal hindi ba sa Diyos lang po.

Pangalawa bakit ba kailangan pang idaan sa santo ninyo ang hiling at dasal ninyo, hindi ba tanggap kung deretsahan sa Diyos ito ginagawa at hindi ba basi sa inyong bibliya ay si Hesus ninyo ang tagapamagitan sa Diyos at tao, bakit sa santo pa Rolling Eyes

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 4:07 pm

harballah wrote:

Hindi ko maintindihan dhugz kasi ang sabi sa balita ay puwede ng dasalan, para saan ba ang pagdarasal hindi ba sa Diyos lang po.

Pangalawa bakit ba kailangan pang idaan sa santo ninyo ang hiling at dasal ninyo, hindi ba tanggap kung deretsahan sa Diyos ito ginagawa at hindi ba basi sa inyong bibliya ay si Hesus ninyo ang tagapamagitan sa Diyos at tao, bakit sa santo pa Rolling Eyes

Oo naman, dasalan, ibig sabihin humingi ng tulong na sana ilapit tayo sa Diyos. Ang pagdarasal na iyon sa kanya ay isang prayer for intersession, at dulia.
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 4:13 pm

Dhugz wrote:

Oo naman, dasalan, ibig sabihin humingi ng tulong na sana ilapit tayo sa Diyos. Ang pagdarasal na iyon sa kanya ay isang prayer for intersession, at dulia.

Pero kailangan paba talaga iyan gawin ng mananampalataya, mayroon kabang maibigay sa akin na katibayan na biblikal ang aral ninyong iyan.

Hindi mo pa kinumpirma sa akin kung ang dasal ba ay puwede ba sa tao o para lang sa Diyos.

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 4:15 pm

Pwedeng pwede sa tao yn Bro, pwede ka magdasal sakin, ibig sabihin ng dasl kasi ay makikiusap.
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 4:50 pm

Dhugz wrote:Pwedeng pwede sa tao yn Bro, pwede ka magdasal sakin, ibig sabihin ng dasl kasi ay makikiusap.

Sorry po pero wala po akong nakikitang aral na puwedeng magdasal sa tao para iparating sa Diyos ang dasal niya o hiling.

Nasaan na iyong biblikal na aral patungkol sa bagay na iyan brad dhugz.

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 5:12 pm

harballah wrote:

Sorry po pero wala po akong nakikitang aral na puwedeng magdasal sa tao para iparating sa Diyos ang dasal niya o hiling.

Nasaan na iyong biblikal na aral patungkol sa bagay na iyan brad dhugz.
Nakabatay po ba sa bibliya namin ang aming aral? Di naman po di ba? Sa tradition ng mga katoliko mulka pa nung unanga siglo, ang bawat isa ay ipinapanalangin ang isat isa. Gaya namin, sinasabi namin sa aming pari, father please pray for me, kapatid, ipananlangin mo ako.
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 5:38 pm

Dhugz wrote:Nakabatay po ba sa bibliya namin ang aming aral? Di naman po di ba? Sa tradition ng mga katoliko mulka pa nung unanga siglo, ang bawat isa ay ipinapanalangin ang isat isa.


Brad Dhugz magkaiba po ang ipinalangin ang isa't isa kaysa nananalangin kayo sa isang santo/rebulto patungo sa Diyos No


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Gaya namin, sinasabi namin sa aming pari, father please pray for me, kapatid, ipananlangin mo ako.

Sabi mo diyan ay sinasabi ninyo sa pari na ipinalangin ninyo siya, kaso brad ang pinag-uusapan natin dito ay ang pagdarasal ninyo sa mga santo, hindi mo naman dinadasalan ang paring ito hindi po ba.

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Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 9:47 pm

Ang pagdarasal kasi ay ibinigay sa mga Santo
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 11:18 pm

Dhugz wrote:Ang pagdarasal kasi ay ibinigay sa mga Santo

Iyon na nga kasi ang tanong ko brad dhugz, bakit dapat dasalan ang santo at biblikal po ba iyan, hindi ba puwedeng magdasal ng walang santo at deretsahan na sa Diyos. Rolling Eyes

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Mon May 02, 2011 11:32 pm

God is Holy, alam ba yun Bro?
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Mon May 02, 2011 11:42 pm

Dhugz wrote:God is Holy, alam ba yun Bro?

yes, pero papaano ninyo nasabing holy ang mga santo.

BTW, hindi mo pa ako nabigyan ng sagot kung biblikal ba na pagdasalan ang isang tao tulad ni John Paul II.

Ikaw ba ay naniniwala na dapat Diyos lang ang dapat pagdasalan.

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by Dhugz on Tue May 03, 2011 8:32 am

harballah wrote:

yes, pero papaano ninyo nasabing holy ang mga santo.

BTW, hindi mo pa ako nabigyan ng sagot kung biblikal ba na pagdasalan ang isang tao tulad ni John Paul II.

Ikaw ba ay naniniwala na dapat Diyos lang ang dapat pagdasalan.

Once na nasa langit na ang isang kaluluwa o tao, santo na po, yung mga angels are saints also, si God ay saint too.
Matt. 18:10 - the angels in heaven always behold the face of God. We venerate them for their great dignity and union with God.

Matt. 15:4; Luke 18:20; Eph. 6:2-3 Exodus 20:12; Lev. 19:3; Deut. 5:16 - we are instructed to honor our father and mother.

Luke 1:28 - the angel Gabriel venerates Mary by declaring to her "Hail, full of grace." The heavenly angel honors the human Mary, for her perfection of grace exceeds that of the angels.

Romans 13:7 - we are to give honor where honor is due. When we honor God's children, we honor God Himself, for He is the source of all honor.

1 Cor. 4:16 - the most important form of veneration of the saints is "imitating" the saints, as Paul commands us to do.

1 Cor. 11:1 - again, Paul says, "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." The ultimate objective of veneration is imitation.

Phil. 2:25-29 - Paul teaches us to honor Epaprhoditus who almost died for the faith. How much more honor is owed to the saints that did die for the faith!

Phil. 3:17 - Paul says to imitate him and others, which is the goal of veneration. Veneration is not worship.

1 Thess. 1:6 – Paul says to the Thessalonians, “You became imitators of us and of the Lord.” This is the goal of veneration.

2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul says that the Thessalonians should imitate him and the other bishops.

Hebrews 3:3 - Jesus is worthy of "more" glory and honor than Moses. This does not mean that the saints are worthy of no glory and honor. Instead, it proves that saintly people are worthy of glory and honor out of God's goodness.

Heb. 6:12 – the author teaches us to be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Heb. 13:7 - we must imitate the faith of our faithful leaders. We ask for their intercession and venerate them for their holiness.

James 5:10-11 – James teaches us to take heart in the examples of the prophets and Job, who endured suffering.

1 Peter 2:17 - Peter teaches us to honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the emperor. Don't those living with Christ in heaven deserve honor? Catholics believe they do, and honor them with special feast days, just as we honor those living by celebrating their birthdays.

Gen. 19:1 - Lot venerates the two angels in Sodom, bowing himself with his face to the ground.
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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Tue May 03, 2011 3:58 pm

Dhugz wrote:

Once na nasa langit na ang isang kaluluwa o tao, santo na po, yung mga angels are saints also, si God ay saint too.
Matt. 18:10 - the angels in heaven always behold the face of God. We venerate them for their great dignity and union with God.

Saan po ninyo napulot iyong "we venerate them"

KJV Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

ASV Matthew 18:10 See that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

RSV Matthew 18:10 "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.


Sa tatlong version lang ng bibliya ninyo ay wala akong nakitang veneration diyan o baka naman sadyang isiningit mo lang iyan, papaano pa tayo uusad sa ibang talata kung dito pa lang unang talata ay kuwestiyonable na po.


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Post by fredms3 on Wed May 18, 2011 6:24 pm

Mukhang exciting ang kurutan niyong dalawa ah igan and dhugzie

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Re: PRAYER TO JOHN PAUL II

Post by harballah on Wed May 18, 2011 7:25 pm

fredms3 wrote:Mukhang exciting ang kurutan niyong dalawa ah igan and dhugzie

OO naman pero hindi kami katulad sa kabila na may personalan, usapan lang ito walang personalan.

Nasaan na kaya si Dhugz Smile

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