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Post by Comb@tron on Wed May 25, 2011 4:18 pm

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2011/05/kailangan-pa-bang-sundin-ang-utos-ng.html#comment-form

Fr. Abe said:
[SIEMPRE YUNG NATURAL. DAHIL ANG GOD ANG CREATOR NG NATURE. ANG MGA
CONDOMS AT PILLS GAWA NG MGA NEGOSYANTENG AMERCANO AT MGA EUROPEANS NA
KARAMIHAN AY HINDI CRISTIANO AT ANG GUSTO LANG KUMITA. SUBALIT ANG
NATURAL METHODS AY LIBRE, MALINIS AT LIKAS SA TAO.]


Comb@tron said:
Batas po ba ng Simbahan yan Fr. Abe?

Nung nagpakasal kasi ako e
nag seminar muna kami at tinuro sa seminar ang paggamit ng mga
contraceptives sa Family Planning. Ibig sabihin po ba mali ang turo ng
Gobyerno sa contraceptives?

Fr. Abe said:
NAKA-SAAD SA BANAL NA KASULATAN AT SINUSUGAN NG BANAL NA TRADITION.


Comb@tron said:
anung verse and chapters po?

no answer


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Fr. Abe naghihintay ako ng kasagutan nyo. Saan makikita sa banal na kasulatan at tradisyon na ipinagbabawal ang kontraceptives?

Fr. Abe said:
HELLO COMBANTRIN,

SASAGUTIN KITA PAG IPINAKITA MO SA AKIN KUNG
SAAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN NAKASULAT NA DAPAT MAGSUOT NG CONDOM ANG
LALAKI KAPAG MAKIKIPAGTALIK.

AT KUNG MABABASA MO SA BIBLIA NA HINDI MASAMA ANG UMINOM NG PILLS BAGO AT MATAPOS MAKIPAGTALIK ANG BABAE PARA HINDI MABUNTIS.

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Bakit kaya walang maipakitang katibayan itong si Fr. Abe? Ako nagtatanong at ayaw yatang sagutin yung tanong ko simple lang naman.

Saan nasusulat na BAWAL ang contraceptives na batas daw ng Diyos at Simbahan

Fr. Abe said:
NAKA-SAAD SA BANAL NA KASULATAN AT SINUSUGAN NG BANAL NA TRADITION.

Saan kaya?

Marami pa akong pinost dun sa blog nya kaya lang kontrolado nya yung mga post e hindi nya pinapakita yung sakin. Mga Caths friend invite nyo naman si Fr. Abe dito para makapag kwentuhan lang kami
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Post by viruzol_007 on Wed May 25, 2011 4:39 pm

hehehe, si fader abe, . gumagamit din pala nang sola skriptura heheheheh


well, pag ang tanong 'saan mo makikita sa bibliya - well, auto reverse din ang sagot, saan mo makikita sa bibliya..

ito ang epekto nang Sola scriptura .a

Fr. Abe said:
HELLO COMBANTRIN,

SASAGUTIN KITA PAG IPINAKITA MO SA AKIN KUNG
SAAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN NAKASULAT NA DAPAT MAGSUOT NG CONDOM ANG
LALAKI KAPAG MAKIKIPAGTALIK.

AT KUNG MABABASA MO SA BIBLIA NA HINDI MASAMA ANG UMINOM NG PILLS BAGO AT MATAPOS MAKIPAGTALIK ANG BABAE PARA HINDI MABUNTIS.


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Post by fredms3 on Wed May 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Ano ba ang epekto ng contraceptives?

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Post by viruzol_007 on Wed May 25, 2011 4:46 pm




eh yong natural method — where is that taught in the bible?
RH BILL where is that taught in the bible
SEX in the CITY? where is that taught in the bible
MEN AND WOMEN Marriage with Priest where is that taught in the bible?
thebereas.net where is that taught in the bible?

grabe talaga ang epekto nang sola scriptura? NAKAKALOKA.
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Post by viruzol_007 on Wed May 25, 2011 4:49 pm

fredms3 wrote:Ano ba ang epekto ng contraceptives?

ayon sa aking sors, pag gumagamit daw nang contra-sextives. hindi raw nakakarating sa 'Sukdulan'— which is true naman kaci. iba kaci ang thinking pag gumagamit nang contrasextive at condom. maganda pag nakikipag sex 'conditio '. maganda talaga pag —skin to skin ang labanan—. nakakatanggal depression.
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Post by Comb@tron on Wed May 25, 2011 5:21 pm

viruzol_007 wrote:hehehe, si fader abe, . gumagamit din pala nang sola skriptura heheheheh


well, pag ang tanong 'saan mo makikita sa bibliya - well, auto reverse din ang sagot, saan mo makikita sa bibliya..

ito ang epekto nang Sola scriptura .a

Fr. Abe said:
HELLO COMBANTRIN,

SASAGUTIN KITA PAG IPINAKITA MO SA AKIN KUNG
SAAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN NAKASULAT NA DAPAT MAGSUOT NG CONDOM ANG
LALAKI KAPAG MAKIKIPAGTALIK.

AT KUNG MABABASA MO SA BIBLIA NA HINDI MASAMA ANG UMINOM NG PILLS BAGO AT MATAPOS MAKIPAGTALIK ANG BABAE PARA HINDI MABUNTIS.




Hay nako virz parehas kayo ni Fr. Abe, ang tagal tagal na yang tanong ko na yan di parin masagot. Sola Scriptura ba? eh sabi nya

Fr. Abe said:
NAKA-SAAD SA BANAL NA KASULATAN AT SINUSUGAN NG BANAL NA TRADITION.


Oh ano masasabi mo?

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Post by fredms3 on Wed May 25, 2011 5:48 pm

viruzol_007 wrote:

ayon sa aking sors, pag gumagamit daw nang contra-sextives. hindi raw nakakarating sa 'Sukdulan'— which is true naman kaci. iba kaci ang thinking pag gumagamit nang contrasextive at condom. maganda pag nakikipag sex 'conditio '. maganda talaga pag —skin to skin ang labanan—. nakakatanggal depression.

Medyo sang-ayon ako dyan pareng virz...

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Post by fredms3 on Wed May 25, 2011 6:18 pm

Aside pa sa ganyang epekto, ano pa ang ibang epekto ng contrasextives este contraceptives. Isa lang kasi yan sa mga negative effects ng issue dito.

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Post by harballah on Wed May 25, 2011 7:46 pm

Kaya naman kasi ipinagbabawal siguro ng simbahan katoliko kasi ipino-promote pa ito ng mga PRO-RH.......sa madaling salita ay para bang tinuturuan pa ang mga tao na okey lang mag-sex basta ba may condom Laughing


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Post by viruzol_007 on Wed May 25, 2011 8:54 pm

tama... talagang bida na naman na pareng Con's at may posibilidad na mahumaling ang mga kabataan sa 'Larong Apoy', ito na siguro ang pinaka rival nang larong PSP PLAY STATION XBOX. kaya naman— pinag aaralan ng mabuti ng Sony Inc., at Microsoft kung paano sila makikipag kompentinsya kay Condom pag naging lihitimong Laro na ito. — tandaan natin ibang klase maki pag laro kay Pareng Con's .... mas masarap hawakan ang joy-stick ni Pareng Con's kaysa sa joytick ni Play-station o kaya ni XXBOX . mas masarap din pindon pindotin si Pareng Con's kesa sa kay XXBOx at Play station parang ganto ba? up, up , down, down, left right, left, right, select 30 lives.. contra... hay buhay talaga, Pag lihitimong ligal na si Pareng Con's paniguradong affectado ang Sony Inc. at Mirosoft.



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Post by Comb@tron on Thu May 26, 2011 12:22 am

Wala parin ba kong makukuhang sagot sa inyo? tulungan nyo naman si Fr. Abe baka namumuti na yung mata kakahanap sa Bible.
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Post by viruzol_007 on Thu May 26, 2011 2:26 am

.. di ka rin makulit combratron anoh ho?... binigay na sau ang dahilan at kasagutan ni fahhh-der abe, tamad ka lang talagang magbasa. o ayan nasa baba na yong lenk. ayaw kong e kape pest.. sayang lang sa bytes. ma exceed badwith pa tayo..

basa.... (kailangan dito analysasyon, hindi yong laytra per laytra.),

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-does-bible-say-about-contraception.html
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Post by Comb@tron on Thu May 26, 2011 3:40 pm

nanang kupo naghamon na ng debate si Friar Abe Very Happy
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Post by viruzol_007 on Thu May 26, 2011 3:47 pm

Pareng Combat? nga pla, sinagot mo na nga pala ang katanungan ni fadder Aber?

Father Abie Said....

HELLO COMBANTRIN,

SASAGUTIN KITA PAG IPINAKITA MO SA AKIN KUNG
SAAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN NAKASULAT NA DAPAT MAGSUOT NG CONDOM ANG
LALAKI KAPAG MAKIKIPAGTALIK.

AT KUNG MABABASA MO SA BIBLIA NA HINDI MASAMA ANG UMINOM NG PILLS BAGO AT MATAPOS MAKIPAGTALIK ANG BABAE PARA HINDI MABUNTIS.


Pareng Combat, oo nga nama me punto si fadeer abe.... sasagutin nya yong tanong mo kung masasagot mo kung saan sa biblia na dapat mag suot nang condom at uminin nang contra-sextives para sa "family planning" wait? me family planning pa sa scriptures? at sino namang apostol ang nangaral nag gumamit nang condom para sa family planning pag overpopulation na ang mundo?
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Post by Gordon on Thu May 26, 2011 8:33 pm

The use of contraceptives removes the procreative function of sexual union, and reduces the sex act to an act of greed and sexual lust. If you do not want to conceive a child, the verse below indicates that you should learn to control you passion to time with a womans "safe" period.

1Th 4:2-8 (NIV) For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God... For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
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Re: Contraceptives bawal ng Bibliya ayon kay Fr. Abe

Post by Gordon on Thu May 26, 2011 8:39 pm

In addition this is stated:


"If a man is righteous and does what is lawful and right-- if he ... does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of impurity ... --he is righteous, he shall surely live, says the Lord God." (Ezekiel 18:5.6.9).


"time of impurity" refers to a womans menstrual period. During a womans menstrual period, a woman is considered infertile. This prohibition in scripture implies that IT IS IMMORAL TO CONSCIOUSLY HAVE SEX WITHOUT A DESIRE FOR PROCREATION
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Re: Contraceptives bawal ng Bibliya ayon kay Fr. Abe

Post by Ateo on Fri May 27, 2011 8:36 am

Rev. Fr. Gordon, I don't agree. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for anti-RH argument. The OT is superseded, you only use it to dig up outdated tribal practices.

You quoted the OT prohibition against having sex with a menstruating woman and you give it a modern twist - interpretation that is anti RH.

But if the OT is valid, then you need to accept the entire package of OT prohibitions against menstruation. Here they are:
In Leviticus 15:19 and 24, we are told: “If a woman has an emission, and her emission in her flesh is blood, she shall be seven days in her [menstrual] separation, and anyone who touches her shall be tamei [a bearer of tum'ah] until evening...And if any man lie with her at all and her [menstrual] separation will be upon him, he will be tamei for seven days…."
Finally, Leviticus 20:18 states: "And if a man lie with a menstruating woman and reveal her nakedness, and she revealed the fountain of her blood, both of them will be cut off from among their people."
So are those other provisions also valid? Specifically...
1. Could I not touch my mother or my sister when they are menstruating lest I become impure?
2. If a man will have sex to his menstruating wife, he just does not simply sin, he needs to be cut off from his people. Istrik naman masyado, Fader.

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Post by fredms3 on Fri May 27, 2011 4:26 pm

harballah wrote:Kaya naman kasi ipinagbabawal siguro ng simbahan katoliko kasi ipino-promote pa ito ng mga PRO-RH.......sa madaling salita ay para bang tinuturuan pa ang mga tao na okey lang mag-sex basta ba may condom Laughing


Aside from that igan, is because RH Bill is anti-life in whatever angle you have it.

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Post by harballah on Sat May 28, 2011 12:13 am

fredms3 wrote:

Aside from that igan, is because RH Bill is anti-life in whatever angle you have it.


Sa tutuo lang buddy hindi naman ako tututol sa RH-BILL kung ang dahilan nila ay reasonable tulad sa amin na puwede naman gumamit ng contraceptives kung nanganganib ang buhay ng isang ina kung siya ay mabuntis kasi walang tutol ang Islam dito, pero kung walang dahilan ay ipinagbabawal talaga sa amin ang kumitil ng buhay.

BTW, ang really stand ko sa usapin ito ay ang mga sumusunod.

1) Korapsyon (kung ma-aprubahan ito ay may posibilidad na matulad sa fertilizer scam).

2) Abortion (kung papayagan ang pagpapalaglag kung ang babae ay hindi kayang maging isang ina o kayang buhayin ang kanyang magiging anak).

3) Imorality (ang pino-promote ng mga PRO-RH na condom para daw hindi magkasakit o magkaroon ng sakit na HIV/AIDS kaya dapat gumamit ng condom)

Ilan lang diyan ang dahilan kung bakit hindi ako sang-ayon sa RH-BILL at hindi dahil sang-ayon ako sa panuntunan ng simbahan katoliko na for abortion lang ang dahilan kaya hindi sila payag sa RH-BILL, sa akin ay puwede ang contraceptives kung may dahilan ang isang babae (REDMARK STATEMENT).

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Post by Ateo on Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 am

How exactly will the RH Bill makes one immoral?

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Post by viruzol_007 on Sat May 28, 2011 2:12 am



immoral coz—is anti-life. 2nd Contraception is a form of abortion and 3rd of course Contraception leads to widespread "sexual immorality". and lastly, RH bill another funds, money, money, money,.
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Post by Ateo on Sat May 28, 2011 4:39 am

1. RH Bill is not anti-life. It seeks to improve the quality of life for all.

2. Contraception is not abortion. That is the title of the CBCP theme song, but it is not true.

3. Contraception does not lead to widespread sexual immorality! It empowers each and every human being to decide for its own sexual and reproductive decisions. Freewill. Have you heard of that term? Whether one becomes immoral or not is affected by one's upbringing and one's education, thus the RH Bill seeks to educate our young people.

4. The RH Bill will need money, just like any services of the government. But it is money well spent and is demanded by the greatest majority of our people.

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Post by Gordon on Mon May 30, 2011 9:00 am

Ateo wrote:
You quoted the OT prohibition against having sex with a menstruating woman and you give it a modern twist - interpretation that is anti RH.

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On the contrary, my interpretation is still being followed by religious jews of today. In fact they are more strict than Catholics To be a "good" husband, a man must make love to his wife at least twice a week. The use of condoms (unless used to prevent the transmission of disease) is not kosher.

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Post by Ateo on Tue May 31, 2011 1:24 am

Gordon wrote:

On the contrary, my interpretation is still being followed by religious jews of today. In fact they are more strict than Catholics To be a "good" husband, a man must make love to his wife at least twice a week. The use of condoms (unless used to prevent the transmission of disease) is not kosher.



So what? I don't care what the Jews will have to say. They were wrong about Jesus and about so many things that is why you NT guys have to junk the entire OT as a bunch of tribal practices. Now, you are recycling some old stuff just to support your anti-condom position. If there is one society whose sexual practices you should be wary about, it is the Jews.

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Post by Gordon on Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:40 am


Huh?!?! Are you making stuff up again?

You should go back and read up on the concept of covenant relationships, and how St. Paul emphasizes that under Christ it the the heart of the law, and not the word of the law, that matters.

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So what? I don't care what the Jews will have to say. They were wrong about Jesus and about so many things that is why you NT guys have to junk the entire OT as a bunch of tribal practices. Now, you are recycling some old stuff just to support your anti-condom position. If there is one society whose sexual practices you should be wary about, it is the Jews.[/quote]
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