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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by element_115x on Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:59 pm

OneJack wrote:

Granting that what you have said is true, does that affect the reality of God?

Intriguing question! Smile But in my opinion, one 'reality of God' won't be affected because it's in the realm of the Metaphysical. No amount of scientific experimentation can disprove something that exists in the deep recesses of our psyches.

But not unless we are talking about a 'being' God -- which in such a case needs to be quantified first.
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by sakundes on Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:58 pm

The Book of Genesis alone is more than sufficient enough to disprove the existence of your god.. it cannot simply be compatible with all the scientific facts we have today.
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:11 pm

heaven is a place on earth...who needs proof?


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Post by sakundes on Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:16 pm

heaven is a place on earth...who needs proof?

they cant even get it right.. the OT tells us it's the garden of eden, the NT then tells us it's Heaven.. their judeo-christian cosmic architecture is a mess.

all the dead will rise on judgement day.. i mean exhumed as zombees? and how will a corporeal body exist in heaven? i thought for along time that it was a spirit realm. it's all f*cked up +_+
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by ramcam2 on Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:41 pm

Esther wrote:

ramcam,

may I asked for more questions. Where is Lucifer before the fall?

thanks.

Dear fellow readers,

Our disscussions here are not infallible some may fall on one owns fallible opinion, some are speculative, so feel free to join us and share your insight on this matter.

yours in Christ,

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Lucifer, before the fall, was one of the good angels. He was with God in His kingdom.
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by Ateo on Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:46 am

Iba ba ang Grand Plan ng mga angels? Di ba sila kasama sa salvific plan ni Jesus? Bakit parang one strike out kaagad sila? Kailan nangyari itong fall ni Lucifer? During the Creation Week or before the Creation, which makes them pre-Creation creatures?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:48 pm

Ateo wrote:Iba ba ang Grand Plan ng mga angels? Di ba sila kasama sa salvific plan ni Jesus? Bakit parang one strike out kaagad sila? Kailan nangyari itong fall ni Lucifer? During the Creation Week or before the Creation, which makes them pre-Creation creatures?

This is where everything falls apart... lol! Lucifer who was with god in heaven sinned. He actually committed the first sin..not Adam. And since he was with god, he is in heaven. Sin was committed in heaven. So to those who wants to go to heaven with god, there is no guarantee that you will not sin again.... lol! .....unless freewill is removed..... teka...nalalabuan na ako. Ano ba talga plano?

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Post by element_115x on Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:09 pm

Freewill is the theistic God's cop-out excuse. With it, everything can be justified. Buti pa Deism wala nito hehe Razz
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by Mojako on Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:20 pm

This is where everything falls apart...
Lucifer who was with god in heaven sinned. He actually committed the
first sin..not Adam. And since he was with god, he is in heaven. Sin was
committed in heaven. So to those who wants to go to heaven with god,
there is no guarantee that you will not sin again....

Ang pagkakaalam ko nagrebelde o nagmataas si LUCIFER na gusto nyang maabot o mapantayan ang position ng Dios at si LUCIFER o SATANAS ay nagmataas o naging hambog sya sa kanyang sarili...

Ang kasalanan po ay ang paglabag sa utos si SATANAS ay naging hambog o nagpakataas sa kanyang sarili.....
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:43 am

Mojako wrote:

Ang pagkakaalam ko nagrebelde o nagmataas si LUCIFER na gusto nyang maabot o mapantayan ang position ng Dios at si LUCIFER o SATANAS ay nagmataas o naging hambog sya sa kanyang sarili...

Ang kasalanan po ay ang paglabag sa utos si SATANAS ay naging hambog o nagpakataas sa kanyang sarili.....

isa lang ba sya o marami silang nag aklas?

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Post by OneJack on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:28 pm

sakundes wrote:The Book of Genesis alone is more than sufficient enough to disprove the existence of your god.. it cannot simply be compatible with all the scientific facts we have today.

A book, pieces of papers, letters, and words plus comprehension from human mind, more than sufficient enough to disprove the existence of the Almighty God????? Where are you coming from?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by OneJack on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:30 pm

vril wrote:heaven is a place on earth...who needs proof?


Razz

What heaven?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by OneJack on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:32 pm

sakundes wrote:

they cant even get it right.. the OT tells us it's the garden of eden, the NT then tells us it's Heaven.. their judeo-christian cosmic architecture is a mess.

all the dead will rise on judgement day.. i mean exhumed as zombees? and how will a corporeal body exist in heaven? i thought for along time that it was a spirit realm. it's all f*cked up +_+

But where is the Garden of Eden today?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by Mojako on Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:50 pm

isa lang ba sya o marami silang nag aklas?

Maraming nahikayat si SATANAS na mga anghel din...
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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:14 pm

OneJack wrote:

What heaven?

depends on how you define it...^_~

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Post by vril on Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:17 pm

Mojako wrote:

Maraming nahikayat si SATANAS na mga anghel din...

anu kaya ang ugat ng kanilang pag aaklas?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by OneJack on Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:38 pm

vril wrote:

depends on how you define it...^_~
let's talk the one that you raised here for proof.

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Post by Ateo on Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:15 pm

Noong nag-aklas sina Lucifer bakit hinayaan ni God na lumala at tumagal? Di ba isang pitik lang dapat niya at naglaho na ang mga rebeldeng ito? Bakit parang malaking digmaan drama ek ek ang nangyari at nangyayari hanggang ngayon?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:42 am

OneJack wrote:
let's talk the one that you raised here for proof.

sure bro. I define heaven as a place you get pleasure temporarily. I say temporarily because when we die....game over na po. Heaven can never be eternal. That's illogical.

Heaven can be found physically, i.e, during sex, socially when spending time with your loved ones and friends. Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays are what i consider heavenly holidays...and lots more! A simple smile from a child is heaven.

What is your definition of heaven?

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Post by OneJack on Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:42 am

vril wrote:

sure bro. I define heaven as a place you get pleasure temporarily.
Where do you come from with this definition?

vril wrote: I say temporarily because when we die....game over na po.

So, if I got you right, heaven is here on Earth right now? Heaven is where pleasures can be found, is that what you mean to say?

vril wrote: Heaven can never be eternal. That's illogical.
Your basis for this????

vril wrote:Heaven can be found physically, i.e, during sex, socially when spending time with your loved ones and friends. Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays are what i consider heavenly holidays...and lots more! A simple smile from a child is heaven.
I guess you are an Atenian, aren't you?

vril wrote:What is your definition of heaven?

Heaven is where God's Kingdom dwelleth and it will soon be the Paradise of those who are the true followers of God.

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by OneJack on Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:45 am

Ateo wrote:Noong nag-aklas sina Lucifer bakit hinayaan ni God na lumala at tumagal? Di ba isang pitik lang dapat niya at naglaho na ang mga rebeldeng ito? Bakit parang malaking digmaan drama ek ek ang nangyari at nangyayari hanggang ngayon?

Kung opinion lang ang gusto mo, makinig ka sa mga taong sasagot sa tanong na iyan, pero kung gusto mo ng tamang kasagutan, isa lang ang makasasagot diyan, ang Dios lang iyon na katabi mo ngayon.

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:16 am

OneJack wrote:

Kung opinion lang ang gusto mo, makinig ka sa mga taong sasagot sa tanong na iyan, pero kung gusto mo ng tamang kasagutan, isa lang ang makasasagot diyan, ang Dios lang iyon na katabi mo ngayon.

hala! mumu...... lol!

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:18 am

OneJack wrote:
Where do you come from with this definition?

I don't know what you mean?



So, if I got you right, heaven is here on Earth right now? Heaven is where pleasures can be found, is that what you mean to say?

yes!


Your basis for this????

Yes! Logical thinking


I guess you are an Atenian, aren't you?

What's an atenian?



Heaven is where God's Kingdom dwelleth and it will soon be the Paradise of those who are the true followers of God.

So is heaven and pradise different?

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:20 am

oooops.. i ade a mess of my reply.....pano ba mag quote ng bawat reply ng isang poster?..avoid irrelevant/insulting words ako pagdating dito e...apprecaite it..

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Re: Heaven and Earth

Post by vril on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:21 am

hahaha...avoid insulting words pa...damn!

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