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Post by Michael Servetus on Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:49 am

Why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28) Very Happy

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Re: Question?

Post by Yidda on Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:44 am

Michael Servetus wrote:Why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28) Very Happy

I presume you address this question to the JW?
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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:56 am

Yidda wrote:

I presume you address this question to the JW?

Does it sounds like for JWs?

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Re: Question?

Post by Yidda on Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:55 pm

Michael Servetus wrote:

Does it sounds like for JWs?

It's sounds like your depending something without raising an argument.
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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:06 pm

Yidda wrote:

It's sounds like your depending something without raising an argument.


It's up to anyone to raise an argument thru that statement. If it feels like it's for you, then go for it.

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Re: Question?

Post by Yidda on Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:43 pm


it's up to me to guess then. Maybe the article on the link is the argument?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_jesus_subject.htm
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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:16 pm

Yidda wrote:
it's up to me to guess then. Maybe the article on the link is the argument?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_jesus_subject.htm

Here is the verse I mentioned:
***1 Corinthians 15:27-28 ***

For [God] "subjected all things under his feet." But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

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Re: Question?

Post by Yidda on Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:12 pm

yes so? what would you like to tell me then?
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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:25 pm

Yidda wrote:yes so? what would you like to tell me then?

That the Father is God and Jesus is not.

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Re: Question?

Post by Yidda on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:21 pm

Michael Servetus wrote:

That the Father is God and Jesus is not.

I believe that's a hasty conclusion, it does not says there in corinthian verse you "quote" being subjected to the Father will lose His(Jesus)Divine nature. A child subjected to the parent doesn't made the child inhuman. I think the verse needs more correct interpretation.

Do you know the reason behind the Writing of the Gospel of Saint John?
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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:58 pm

Yidda wrote:

I believe that's a hasty conclusion, it does not says there in corinthian verse you "quote" being subjected to the Father will lose His(Jesus)Divine nature. A child subjected to the parent doesn't made the child inhuman. I think the verse needs more correct interpretation.

Do you know the reason behind the Writing of the Gospel of Saint John?

It's not a hasty conclusion, remember God is not subject to anyone, Jesus as God is yet to be proven.

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Re: Question?

Post by Esther on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:01 pm

you mean the son of God is not God? how was it lose in that verse?

Jesus as infant is God? being subjected to Mary does not losed His Divine nature.

even Jesus death on the cross - does not loses His Divinity.

an Infant is - human right

a dead person - is still human right?

a nature does not answer the question "WHO" but "What"

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Post by Michael Servetus on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:41 pm

Esther wrote:you mean the son of God is not God? how was it lose in that verse?

Jesus as infant is God? being subjected to Mary does not losed His Divine nature.

even Jesus death on the cross - does not loses His Divinity.

an Infant is - human right

a dead person - is still human right?

a nature does not answer the question "WHO" but "What"

Yes, he is not God, because God is not subject to anyone. And Jesus was never God himself.

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Re: Question?

Post by gin on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:48 pm

Michael Servetus wrote:

Yes, he is not God, because God is not subject to anyone. And Jesus was never God himself.

I agree again Smile
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Post by Esther on Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:20 pm

Michael Servetus wrote:

Yes, he is not God, because God is not subject to anyone. And Jesus was never God himself.


your conclusion did not answer my questions.

Subjection of the Son to the Father is a different thing and does not pertain to Divinity and Nature , that is why :it says also in the bible that the Father is greater than the Son - in that the Son is Divine. God compares himself in the image and reflection of the Son, not to any other humans, because Jesus is Divine.

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Re: Question?

Post by Michael Servetus on Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:46 pm

Esther wrote:


your conclusion did not answer my questions.

Subjection of the Son to the Father is a different thing and does not pertain to Divinity and Nature , that is why :it says also in the bible that the Father is greater than the Son - in that the Son is Divine. God compares himself in the image and reflection of the Son, not to any other humans, because Jesus is Divine.

Actually it does, the problem is your using terminologies which we have to clarify yet, what is nature and divine? And by the way you have preconceived idea that Jesus is God, I have to remind you that it is still to be proven.

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Post by Esther on Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:50 pm

No. the problem is: and this was what exactly Yidda is telling you. "You posted a verse without an argument as if we have to guess it"

Now your actually questioning is the Divinity of Christ.
read the Trinity outline given to you, so that it is more easier for us to understand terminologies.

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Post by Michael Servetus on Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:14 pm

Esther wrote:


your conclusion did not answer my questions.

Subjection of the Son to the Father is a different thing and does not pertain to Divinity and Nature , that is why :it says also in the bible that the Father is greater than the Son - in that the Son is Divine. God compares himself in the image and reflection of the Son, not to any other humans, because Jesus is Divine.

Again, you still have to prove that Jesus is God before jumping to your Trinitarian argument.

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Post by Michael Servetus on Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:29 pm

Esther wrote:No. the problem is: and this was what exactly Yidda is telling you. "You posted a verse without an argument as if we have to guess it"

Now your actually questioning is the Divinity of Christ.
read the Trinity outline given to you, so that it is more easier for us to understand terminologies.

Because the verse does not need an argument, self explanatory. My question is, are they Biblical terminologies? And are they your own explanation? or someone else?

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Post by Esther on Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:49 pm

Christ will not found a teaching church if the bible is self explanatory.

I'm explaining to you the doctrine.

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Post by Michael Servetus on Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:24 am

Esther wrote:Christ will not found a teaching church if the bible is self explanatory.

I'm explaining to you the doctrine.

Then start explaining. Where is Trinity in the Bible? Very Happy

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