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When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

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When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by miss_terry on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:03 pm

When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

This thread is open for all types of religion.

Explain it according to the teachings of your church and the Bible.

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:33 am

Hi Ms. T.

Idolatry is worship of anything other than the true God. That's how i summarize it sis

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by Ash Ketchum on Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:34 pm

Hehehehehe may diksyunaryo ka? Teka ah hanapin ko sa disyunaryo ah. Eto na, may nahanap na ako.

Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idolatry

i·dol·a·try
n. pl. i·dol·a·tries
1. Worship of idols.
2. Blind or excessive devotion to something.


Yan ah, may nahanap na akong idolatry sa dictionary. Opps, opps teka nga lang. Alam ko, ibibintang mo na naman sa Iglesya Katolika to eh. Sinasamba rin namin ang imahen ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo eh, so ibig sabihin ba si Cristo ay idolo rin?


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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:40 pm

Ash Ketchum wrote:Hehehehehe may diksyunaryo ka? Teka ah hanapin ko sa disyunaryo ah. Eto na, may nahanap na ako.



Yan ah, may nahanap na akong idolatry sa dictionary. Opps, opps teka nga lang. Alam ko, ibibintang mo na naman sa Iglesya Katolika to eh. Sinasamba rin namin ang imahen ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo eh, so ibig sabihin ba si Cristo ay idolo rin?


OT:

Ash, kilala mo ba si Voll Truth?

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by Ash Ketchum on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:40 pm

fredms3 wrote:

OT:

Ash, kilala mo ba si Voll Truth?


Sino kamo? Si Bol Truth? Ano sya, Protestant ba o Ketolik tulad ko? Hahahahahaha, who's that? Di ko yun kilala.


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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by miss_terry on Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:26 pm

Ok. Let's hear other answers from others. Thanks

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by Amigo on Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:58 am

It will be idolatry kapag gumawa ka nang graven images nang hindi diyos at iyong ipatutungkulan mo nitong graven images mismo ay inari mo namang isang diyos. In short magiging diyos-diyosan dahil hindi naman totoong diyos.

It all boils down here.. Pilit ikakapit at ipapaclaim nang mga protesters na itong idolatry ay ginagawa nang Catholic Church tapos parang mga may tililing na aayawan naman nila.

Jesus is a true God. So ang biblical graven images ni Jesus ay hindi maituturing na idolatry.

Sa aking pagsisiyasa't dito sa mga protestante. May dalawa silang version nang atake para ikapit at ipaclaim sa Catholic Church ang idolatry. Gagamitan ka nila nang verses mula sa hiniram nilang canon nang Catholic Church na Bible pero isi self interpret nila(protesters) iyong verse para mag mukhang sila ang Pope nang sarili nila.

Unang Atake(Plan A).
Naniniwala itong mga protestante na nakaka-usap ang statwa(material) mismo (neglecting the one it's being represented)... ibidins daw ba... ang galing nila ano? He,he,he! Kung baga iyong bagay(material) mismo ang nakaka-usap... then sasabihin nila na ang gumagawa nitong pakikipag usap na ito sa statwa mismo ay ang Catholico.

Alam nyo kung bakit?.. Bakit?(in Chorus way) ... Dahil nakikita nila na may pagkakataong kapag nagdarasal ang isang Catholico sa harap nitong Biblical graven images ay nag co conclude na sila na ang dinadasalan ay itong Biblical graven images(material) mismo... (Action speaks louder than words daw eh... ) kungbaga may katangian silang bumasa nang isipan at nasa puso nitong Katholikong nagdarasal... Iyon bang tipong mental telepathy.. .He,he,he! Without knowing na ang totoong nasa isip at puso nang nagdaral na Catholico ay nasa pinatutungkulan (being represented) nitong Biblical graven images. In short kung nasa harap naming Catholico ay Biblical graven image ni Jesus therefor ang kinakausap namin ay pinatutungkulan nito na si Jesus mismo. (Ayon naman pala mga protesters... Interpreting one's action is subjected to wrong interpretation... Hane he,he,he!)

Then ang nakakatawa sa bandang huli tipong tuturuan ka pa nila sa pagsasabi na hindi nakaka-usap ang statwa(material) dahil hindi ito sumasagot... Ngak! ... para bang iti treat nitong protesters na hindi ito nalalaman nitong mga Catholico. (Sila daw(protesters) ang intelligent one... feeling lang nila... Itanong nila sa grade I he,he,he).. So bigla.. sa madali't sabi hindi nakikipag usap ang Catholic Church sa statwa mismo dahil alam din naman naming mga Catholico na hindi sumasagot ang Biblical graven images na ito. Sila rin mismo(protester) kukuntrahin ang sarili nila. He,he,he!

Pangalawang Atake. "Human vs God" attitude nitong mga Protester. Ang gagawin nila ipagsasabong nila(protesters) sina St. Virgin Mary at ang mga Santo vs Diyos... Eh kasi may Biblical graven images din kasi sila... Ito na iyong PLAN B nila(protesters) kapag hindi magkalusot iyong PLAN A nila.

Wino worship daw nang Catholic Church na parang diyos sina Virgin Mary at itong mga Santo dahil una inaalayan daw nang bulaklak at pangalawa ay lumuluhod at nagdarasal daw kami sa kanila.

Dito muna tayo sa una. Dahil may exclusive itong mga protesters na meaning nang Worship na kapag nag alay daw nang bulaklak eh Worship na daw agad... So, alay ka sa gf mo nang bulaklak, alay nang bulaklak sa Historical graven images nang mga bayani at alay nang bulaklak sa Biblical graven images nang mga Santo at Santa... Worship na daw iyon sabi nila ayon sa self interpretation nila sa Bible... ayaw kasi nila(protesters) tanggapin na may iba pang meaning ang worship bukod sa meaning nang God Worship sa Bible... (basahin nyo nalang ang position nang Catholic Church na ipaliwanag ni Dugz sa Old Barns. )

Pangalawa naman. Iyong pagluhod at pagdarasal daw sa mga Santo at mga Santa. Tulad nang nang pag-aalay nang bulaklak itong pagluhod daw ay may exclusive din na meaning regarding to religious act. Kaya naman pag nakita nila ang pagkakataon na nakaluhod sa harap nang Biblical graven images eh conclude agad sila Worship na raw iyon. Pero kapag sila(protesters) naman ang lumuhod sa harap nang pastor/ministro nila or sa dingding nang chapel chapelan nila exempted daw sila sa exclusibong meaning nang pagluhod nila... Ngak!...

At ang isa pang Fatawa nitong mga protesters, nagdarasal daw ang Catholico sa mga Santo at mga Santo. Without knowing na ang humihingi lamang kami sa kanila(Patrons Saints) na ipagdasal rin naman nila kami. Kapag sinabi mo naman na ganon din naman ang ginagawa nila(protesters)... kasi ito karaniwan naririnig ko sa kanila(protesters).. "Brothers and Sisters ipag pray over nyo naman ako"... Ayon sa madali't sabi exempted narin sila bigla sa exclusive na meaning nang pagdaral nila(protesters)... In fairness... Sa bandang huli papayag narin itong mga protesters na humihingi lamang kami na ipagdasal din kami nitong mga Santo at mga Santa. Pero aatakehin naman nila itong Katoliko sa pagsasabi na patay naman na raw itong mga Santa at mga Santo kaya hindi naraw nila magagawa na ipagdasal kami.... (basahin nyo nalang din sa Old Barn ang position nang Catholic Church tungkol sa bagay na ito. )

Sa madali't sabi uli ang istilo nitong mga Protesters up to the last minute nang usapan eh "AH BASTA iyon ang pagkaka intindi ko(pope nang sarili nila he,he,he!) sa Bible na binasa ko kaya iyon kayo... aminin nyo na."

Pero hindi naman nakaka lusot iyang istilo nila(protesters) na Bible alone. Dahil hindi naman mapapasama ang binabasa nilang mga aklat sa Bible kung hindi ito align mula kay Jesus down through Apostolic Traditions na ipinamana sa Catholic Church.

Bottom line... ipipilit nila iyong bagong faith interpretated nila sa
Biblia laban sa Faith interpretation align from Jesus down through Apostolic Traditions ng Catholic Church kahit noong
wala pa ang Biblia.

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by gin on Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:31 pm

Ang 'idolatry', ayon sa aking pagkakaunawa base sa biblia, ay ang pagsamba na iniuukol sa tao, bagay, hayop (o lunan? Joke! ) na dapat lamang ay nakalaan kay God

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:33 pm

gin wrote:Ang 'idolatry', ayon sa aking pagkakaunawa base sa biblia, ay ang pagsamba na iniuukol sa tao, bagay, hayop (o lunan? Joke! ) na dapat lamang ay nakalaan kay God


Welcome sis Gin,

Agree ako dyan.

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by gin on Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:45 am

fredms3 wrote:

Welcome sis Gin,

Agree ako dyan.


Hello po, Kuya Fred
Grabe, akala ko hindi ko na mare-retrieve password ko dito sa site na 'to. Matagal-tagal na rin kasi magmula nung una akong mag-register dito

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:44 am

gin wrote:

Hello po, Kuya Fred
Grabe, akala ko hindi ko na mare-retrieve password ko dito sa site na 'to. Matagal-tagal na rin kasi magmula nung una akong mag-register dito


Nice to see you here

Nakalimutan mo yung password mo ganun ba?

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by thethinker on Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:59 pm

miss_terry wrote:When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

This thread is open for all types of religion.

Explain it according to the teachings of your church and the Bible.

Thanks

Biblically speaking, idolatry begins when a person MAKES the physical image that supposedly represent God (who is a Spirit.)

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for
yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the
earth beneath or in the waters below. 5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your
God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the
fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


And after making that physical image or representation of God, when people will use that very same image for public display, public processions for purposes of encouraging others to give reverence and to worship those images then it becomes a total idolatrous practice.

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:05 am

thethinker wrote:
Biblically speaking, idolatry begins when a person MAKES the physical image that supposedly represent God (who is a Spirit.)

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for
yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the
earth beneath or in the waters below. 5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your
God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the
fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


And after making that physical image or representation of God, when people will use that very same image for public display, public processions for purposes of encouraging others to give reverence and to worship those images then it becomes a total idolatrous practice.


How about 'money' ----- can you classify it as an idol?

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by miss_terry on Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:53 pm

depende po sa paggamit.

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Re: When is it idolatry or not an idolatry?

Post by fredms3 on Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:37 pm

miss_terry wrote:depende po sa paggamit.


So pwedeng maging idol ang pera sis T?

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